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Hate to see another mass exodus.

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DarthDano
06.14.2013 , 02:05 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
But you cannot claim that the legacy system was not in place at launch, or that you were not aware that your two servers were working toward different legacies.

By continuing to build a second legacy on your second server, you chose to have any effort you put into those characters on that server have no impact on your original server's legacy. I can only speak for me, but if I truly wanted to have every character I leveled working toward a single legacy, I would have abandoned the lower characters as soon as I realized that the legacies were different, which would have been at level 1 as the legacy XP bar would have shown a different XP. I can only wonder why you did not do this, but instead chose to continue working on building a second and separate legacy.
I was well past level one by the time 1.2 and the "entire" legacy system rolled around. I had two republic characters on a separate server because our guild had decided to have our republic guild on one server and our imperial guild on another. So when the "entire" legacy system which eventually impacted characters you may have on separate servers was revealed they had already been unknowingly separated.

I knew they would eventually provide server transfers. Didn't think they would make us wait over a year for them, but I knew. I guess I'm just not as quick to abandon a fallen comrade. No but seriously I grew pretty attached to those republic toons I rolled.
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Blackbacca Legacy

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curtkram
06.14.2013 , 02:08 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
But you cannot claim that the legacy system was not in place at launch, or that you were not aware that your two servers were working toward different legacies.

By continuing to build a second legacy on your second server, you chose to have any effort you put into those characters on that server have no impact on your original server's legacy. I can only speak for me, but if I truly wanted to have every character I leveled working toward a single legacy, I would have abandoned the lower characters as soon as I realized that the legacies were different, which would have been at level 1 as the legacy XP bar would have shown a different XP. I can only wonder why you did not do this, but instead chose to continue working on building a second and separate legacy.
honestly, i knew nothing of legacy until they released it. legacy was useless at launch and the game was new, so learning how to play my class was a bigger priority than reading whatever vague speculation there was regarding a legacy bar, which honestly i don't remember at all. i vaguely remember putting in my legacy name, then learning after that how it would appear (the choice between "X the Y Legacy or X Y"). i vaguely remember entering my legacy name a second time too, which i kept on the third server i rolled on. at the time, i was young an naive and believed bioware would not push their customers to quitting. it didn't make sense to me why bioware would want people to quit. it still doesn't make sense to me. i know, there were signs there, like a million people quitting, but i wanted to believe. i also knew that bioware was aware there was a problem. they knew i had to reroll, along with a majority of the people i was playing with. there shouldn't be a question as to whether transferring was a better option, it was just technically infeasible at the time. i thought bioware would try to help if they could, instead of pushing me and numerous others to quit. it's not technically infeasible anymore. they can help now if they choose. about a year and a half too late, but i would still appreciate their help. that would be the right thing to do.

how is it that you think it's good for players to be expected to abandon the characters they've started? you know what the problem was. you were there. you know what the problem still is. i understand you want to pay bioware more money. that's fine. i don't. surely you can understand my perspective, and those in this thread that are saying they would like to have their legacies put back together. you can understand that, right? if you tried?

is it really just that you want to pay bioware more money, beyond your subscription at a rate that scales higher with the number of characters you have? or is it that you're trying to get rid of the riff raff like me that think there's more to the game than the cartel market? are you worried they could start releasing content and treating their customers with respect if i'm not pushed out? still doesn't make sense to me.

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DarthDano
06.14.2013 , 02:12 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
But you cannot claim that the legacy system was not in place at launch, or that you were not aware that your two servers were working toward different legacies.

By continuing to build a second legacy on your second server, you chose to have any effort you put into those characters on that server have no impact on your original server's legacy. I can only speak for me, but if I truly wanted to have every character I leveled working toward a single legacy, I would have abandoned the lower characters as soon as I realized that the legacies were different, which would have been at level 1 as the legacy XP bar would have shown a different XP. I can only wonder why you did not do this, but instead chose to continue working on building a second and separate legacy.
Oh and in response to the beginning of your post. I can claim that the "entire" legacy system was not in place because it wasn't. And at that time the system was insignificant regarding characters on a different server. All that changed after 1.2 and legacy perks were revealed.
ChakaD'an'Ozulu
Blackbacca Legacy

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AlienEyeTX
06.14.2013 , 02:17 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
Ummmm yes they did. You obviously didn't read (or failed to read ((or failed at reading)) the documents that you demanded so furiously. See all the comments from the other people who figured it out? Go ahead. Take a minute to read them. I'll wait...



Oh yeah! <high five />



I thought that was easy reading... and easy math. I guess stuff like this is just hard for some folks...
To be fair, the numbers other people are referring to were not in the documents that you linked. Those were mentioned in some SWTOR-specific setting. You still failed at that.

To make another fair point, though. Just because some of those subs stopped subbing, that does not mean that they left the game. To call them "lost" might just be a mistake.

I am nonchalant because I'm guessing that the number of people ticked about transfers is in the 10s or 100s, not thousands or 10s of thousands.
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Icebergy
06.14.2013 , 02:20 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDano View Post
Another popular point of view for someone with more time than money. Yeah that's also one of the degrees of hurt I was talking about. Hurts to leave a toon behind man.
If you had the time to make 20 characters in the first place, you have time to relevel them if you really want them. Especially with double XP a while back and coming up again.
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DarthDano
06.14.2013 , 02:22 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
I wonder if all the people who are pissed about the transfer charge are aware that a year ago we had free transfers when the servers were merged?

It's pretty amazing how when it was in EA's interest to merge servers that I had around 10 characters transferred for free, easily, quickly, and with no glitches. Now that it's a consumer's choice to move, that free service now suddenly is a complex undertaking that costs nearly $20 per character.
Dude........you were one of the lucky ones. There were unlucky ones....(like me) who didn't get our characters merged back then. You didn't get to CHOOSE where you went.
ChakaD'an'Ozulu
Blackbacca Legacy

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DarthDano
06.14.2013 , 02:24 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy View Post
If you had the time to make 20 characters in the first place, you have time to relevel them if you really want them. Especially with double XP a while back and coming up again.
Can't argue with that. I don't have 20. I was talking about people like Ratajack with 20 toons.
ChakaD'an'Ozulu
Blackbacca Legacy

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Alandross
06.14.2013 , 02:25 PM | #88
I don't get why people are threatening to leave over this lol.

They added the legacy system a while back, I remember when they added it. In no way shape or form do I remember them swearing a blood oath that they will get entire legacy transfers in by any time (or even at all).

Sure I would want it, since I wouldn't mind moving my entire legacy over to another server (chose an East Coast server despite being in West Coast for players who no longer play); however, that just goes on a wish list, not a "OMG they didn't add this feature they never really promised in any specific time frame but I realize now I REALLY want it NOW so I'm unsubbing".

People are to fickle.

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chuixupu
06.14.2013 , 02:45 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
I wonder if all the people who are pissed about the transfer charge are aware that a year ago we had free transfers when the servers were merged?

It's pretty amazing how when it was in EA's interest to merge servers that I had around 10 characters transferred for free, easily, quickly, and with no glitches. Now that it's a consumer's choice to move, that free service now suddenly is a complex undertaking that costs nearly $20 per character.
No glitches, lol.... there certainly were. The big problem now is new legacy and achievement systems that didn't exist then are buggy.

It only makes sense, as with the APAC servers, that when they are forcing an inconvenience on to the players to have to move, they would not charge anything. Having come from other games that all charge more for transfers, this is one complaint that I just don't get. I would think the majority of people that have been on this forum asking "when are paid transfers coming?" would have the same expectations for cost as the other games.

There is no going to be a mass exodus over paid transfers. There's far worse issues that I can understand people wanting to leave for, but this is not one of them.
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curtkram
06.14.2013 , 02:49 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy View Post
If you had the time to make 20 characters in the first place, you have time to relevel them if you really want them. Especially with double XP a while back and coming up again.
are you saying it's best for the game if bioware released a system that encourages people to abandon the characters they created and start over? or are you saying bioware should not bother making the game better?

when i abandoned my characters after my servers died, i did not enjoy that. i believe that is a typical experience. best case scenario, i get my characters back together again. there is no reason to prevent the best case scenario in this instance.