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ToMyMa
06.12.2013 , 01:15 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Sykomyke View Post
Thanks for that insightful and well thought post Hobo. Would you like to explain anything else Captain Obvious?

Back on topic though. I agree with the thread's point. I don't necessarily think that the issue is the result of "bad guilds though". I think the problem lies in the fact that people feel *obligated* to join a guild otherwise they are deemed inferior. I left my raiding guild 2 months ago and was the best decision I ever made. I may join another guild but I'm not in any rush to do so. The reason I left was (among other things) they were accepting nearly anyone in the guild for no reason and people didn't understand basic concepts.

This same issue applies to all guilds/pugs. The basic concepts JUST AREN'T THERE. These group finder quests show a recommended gear level; and yet people are entering with level 45-50 greens/blues. I'm seeing DPS who just sit still for 10 seconds and dont do anything, or they are keyboard turners that don't know how to follow the boss by moving their mouse.

The problem with storymode operations is that no matter how "easy" they make it; it seems like there are people who are just dumber then they expected still queuing up for it.
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06.12.2013 , 03:42 AM | #12
we're gonna have to go right to obvious speed!! ^^
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06.12.2013 , 07:05 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Askesis View Post
Ah, my first S&V GF. It was less than a week after release; I knew queuing would be a bad idea, but I did it anyway.

First thing I asked: "Has everyone done this yet?" Four or five people say "no" (a surprising turn of events in itself; not that they were new to it, but that they admitted it). A person in the group then decides that would be the perfect time to start the event (granted, it may have been a new person that was unaware that moving forward would start a boss fight).

Of course, we wipe in a terrible fashion since most people had no idea what to do. Then there was the predictable "OMG YOU GUYS **** SUCK" comments and the group broke,

Really, I blame myself. I knew queuing for a new Op would be destined to fail, but I did it anyway.
Unlucky PUG honestly. Every time I pugged an Ops, be it in GF or from fleet, it was always a matter of good explanation of tactics to 1-shot majority of the bosses, if not all. Even with more than half of people not knowing mechanics.

Biggest problem I find in PUGs is the experienced players who don't wanna wait for tactics to be explained to new players. "Plz faster, how much longer, skip this part of explaining" etc and often deliberate pulls to start the fight. Of course that ends in a wipe most of the time. I honestly don't get it. Experienced players should know that wiping over and over again will make MUCH longer than spending 5 mins before each boss to explain it well.

Second most annoying thing is being the only (or one of the very few) player not from the same guild. For every great guild who will treat the non-guild player(s) as equal and leave nothing but great memories, there are 2 more that will treat the non-guild player(s) as 3rd class citizen. Not to mention situations when everyone from the guild needs on everything (even if they don't need it) to claim all the loot for the guild and ensure the non-guild player(s) get nothing.

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Seireeni
06.13.2013 , 05:04 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Sykomyke View Post
These group finder quests show a recommended gear level; and yet people are entering with level 45-50 greens/blues.
I just have to comment this one. First, the quest you get does show the recommended gear level - but the group finder doesn't, and you don't have to pick the quests to use the group finder. If you just hit 55 while questing on Makeb or something, you might not even know those quests exist.

And there's just the sad fact that the recommended gear is kinda high imo - I mean, isn't it rating 156 = the set of gear you get with basic comms? It takes a lot of time and effort to even reach the gear level you can do those ops, especially if you compare it to what we had just before 2.0: you just picked your free set of tionese and you were ready to go for gf operations. If you don't care for endgame that much and just want to see the ops once, the temptation to join and hope the group will carry you is big.
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Astarica
06.13.2013 , 05:08 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
I just have to comment this one. First, the quest you get does show the recommended gear level - but the group finder doesn't, and you don't have to pick the quests to use the group finder. If you just hit 55 while questing on Makeb or something, you might not even know those quests exist.

And there's just the sad fact that the recommended gear is kinda high imo - I mean, isn't it rating 156 = the set of gear you get with basic comms? It takes a lot of time and effort to even reach the gear level you can do those ops, especially if you compare it to what we had just before 2.0: you just picked your free set of tionese and you were ready to go for gf operations. If you don't care for endgame that much and just want to see the ops once, the temptation to join and hope the group will carry you is big.
You can get 156 with just crafting though I rarely see people at that level. Usually you've people either way above (full 162s usually looking for just the arkanian) or way below.

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Seireeni
06.13.2013 , 05:31 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
You can get 156 with just crafting though I rarely see people at that level. Usually you've people either way above (full 162s usually looking for just the arkanian) or way below.
Unless 1 person can craft all the pieces (and even in that case, actually), that costs a lot of credits - and at least I don't have enough money to buy full set of anything. When I hit 55 last time, I had around 400k, and I probably won't get much with that.

But yeah, full 156 probably isn't something common to see, since people probably run hm fps while trying to get better gear and those drop black market gear, which is rating 162 I believe.
Anyway, from a more-of-a-pvp-player point of view, the recommended gear looks pretty high, since the "new warhero" gear isn't enough to do these ops. (Partisan is rating 150.)
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