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Why are some people so incompetent in flashpoints?

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Why are some people so incompetent in flashpoints?

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zzoorrzz
06.12.2013 , 03:41 AM | #11
people being incompetent in these extremely low lvl FPs is hardly a surprise. They have no experience not only with that instance, but with the game itself.

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shyroman
06.12.2013 , 11:09 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by zzoorrzz View Post
people being incompetent in these extremely low lvl FPs is hardly a surprise. They have no experience not only with that instance, but with the game itself.
I have no problem with new people, I will talk them through and help them learn, what gets me frustrated is when people tell me they know what they're doing when they're not, and when I tell them what they're doing wrong and how to fix it, they keep on making the same mistake (with the exception of new people)
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zzoorrzz
06.12.2013 , 06:32 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by shyroman View Post
I have no problem with new people, I will talk them through and help them learn, what gets me frustrated is when people tell me they know what they're doing when they're not, and when I tell them what they're doing wrong and how to fix it, they keep on making the same mistake (with the exception of new people)
That's normal I think. 1) people can understand your advice, but still do some basic mistakes that you are not aware they could do since you take those things as automatic as an experienced player. 2) or they just misunderstand you. That's something that can easily happen to new players so they think they know what to do, but in reality they don't. 3) the same as 2), just based on language. Lots of people who play this have have not english as their first langueage so they can misunderstand you. Doesn't necessarily mean they know they don't know what you're saying, they can just think it means something else.

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Davionbandit
06.12.2013 , 10:24 PM | #14
Misunderstanding is definitely an issue a lot of the time. I was doing the FP with the Droid that "puts you under arrest" and when he catches up to your character it is imprisoned and defeated. We had to go through it a couple of times before the team members understood what each other were talking about. Everyone was like "i understand" then team gets wiped and through a little more discussion, realize not everyone understood.

/startrant
Irritating thing was, we had an experienced player on the team that as soon as the team died the second time, said "I'm not wasting my credits dieing here" and quit team. At least one person had said they had never completed the FP before. A couple of defeats isn't that big of a deal. We got the replacement, straightened out the misunderstandings the new guy was having and won the battle the next round. It just really annoyed me because sometimes people need some guidance - how can they learn the tricks if no one takes the time to teach them.
/endrant

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Nkya
06.13.2013 , 03:26 AM | #15
On more complex mechanism than tank and spank, people can do mistakes until they experience the fight enough. Experienced people can also do mistakes by their own. Also the explanation might be clear for the "teacher" or those knowing the tactic but unclear for the "student."

I recall the first time I ran though the last boss of Cademinu, the one with the rockets launches, the only explanation I could get from the others was "follow the tank." Why? Where is he going to go and when? Why am I dying on the sudden? Wipe after wipe I had no more details on what we have to do. They though they did the best, however, even tagging the tank to spot him better. But as a healer it wasn't helpful; I cannot heal and be ready to run at any moment in a direction I don't know. Also as they didn't say we have to go in a edge, I remained more or less in the middle to save time. It eventually frustrated the teachers who left. Then I browsed in a guide who detailed we have to watch the smokes or the burning boosters and run to a safe edge. After one more wipe, we duoed the boss in broken armour.

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Synavix
06.13.2013 , 04:43 AM | #16
I really don't mind players that just haven't learned fights, or need help with explanations or mechanics. Even players that are slow, since a lot might just be younger/older players. What bugs me is when you have a group with 2 DPS in full raid gear, and still hit the enrage on a bonus boss at 50% because they just afk or don't even try.

I always ask if everyone knows fights ahead of time, and if everyone says yes I'll power through the instance as fast as I can. If anyone says no, or later we wipe, I try to take a step back and answer any questions or explain mistakes as best as I can. Sometimes people get irritated that I'm "explaining more than I need to", but in the long run it helps players out the best, and improves the overall quality of people queueing, imo. It's not hard to explain that you need to do XXX for reason YYY, and people will understand it so much better than if you just try and tell them "do this".

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Sefarad
06.13.2013 , 05:36 AM | #17
hi all,

I might be one of those average players, not so bad, not so good, that like to do FP runs. As a newby in a FP, I have had many good experiences and a few bad ones.

A tip for the newbies: tell that you are new to that particular FP, or that it's your first time as tank / healer / DPS in said FP. Almost everybody is OK with this.

For the "teachers / helpers": just wanted to post to say thanks to the many people that help through this process and have the patience to do so even in a funny way! Thanks a lot! Some guys are just brilliant and by doing this are improving the fun-experience of playing swtor.

For the "other people", not so patient, just this: if we all invest (not lose) 5 minutes in a FP teaching the "goodwilling noobs", we all will spare lots of minutes in that run and in future FP runs.

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Amrahs
06.13.2013 , 05:57 AM | #18
F2P probably brings out a lot of inexperienced MMO players
Amrahs

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Renata_Roselli
06.13.2013 , 06:42 AM | #19
I don't have a problem with new players entering a Flashpoint that they have never done. The biggest thing I have a problem with is that some of these new players who have never done them can't grasp the concept of CCing, DPSing the same target. purging/cleansing and other aspects of game-play. When that happens I am done with them.
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Tegual
06.13.2013 , 09:31 AM | #20
I feel the pain. Today i did a lvl 50 hm Directive 7 and both the DPS hadn't done it before. Which is fine. When i asked it would have been nice if they had said they had not but whatever, the tank was lvl 55 and i was heal on my operative and both me and the tank have done it plenty of time before. So we explain the fights before hand, and while they go okay the sorcerer dps does nothing but use force storm....every single pull....even on bosses. He was at least part way up the lightning tree as i saw he had the force effusion and chain lightning proc, but all he used was force storm....Nothing Else. I asked him why and he didn't respond. After getting past the the second boss i asked him how he was speced and he said hybrid lightning/madness. Since i leveled a sorc in a similar hybrid i tried to help him with a rotation, but he refused and just kept using force storm. So once we got to the final boss and he just stood under the claw more than once instead of moving i just stopped healing him and dpsed and healed at the same time and rezed him at the end of the fight. I know that i can cc the claw when it comes down but i dunno if healing someone who wont move out of a big circle that is damaging you is worth healing especially since all he used was force storm.
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