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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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branmakmuffin
06.11.2013 , 03:17 PM | #841
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
It wouldn't be seamless in this game, either.
It would be seamless.

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No, we have explained exactly how it would affect every player in the game. You simply refuse to acknowledge that because it doesn't fit in with what you want.
You can say you have presented objective reasons all you want. All you have presented is claims of how it would affect others.

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Correct, but you are asking to be able to force me to play with players who do, despite the fact that I would not find that fun.
No one can force you to play with anyone. Perhaps we are getting to the root of your issue.

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But it is ok for you to tell me I have to play your way?
Nope. And no one's going to do that. The only way anyone could force you to play other than the way you want, in terms of AC changes, would be if you were forced to change your characters' ACs. That notion is ludicrous on its face.

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That is exactly the point. You were advised BEFORE you made the choice and advised many times that the choice was PERMANENT, and yet here you are asking for a new class for no effort.
And if they changed it, it would no longer be permanent. No question that it's permanent now. But that's irrelevant regarding whether or not a change should be made. That's like saying "They can't raise the speed limit on this street to 35 MPH. The speed limit on this street has always been 25 MPH."

And I'm not asking for anything. I wouldn't change any of my characters' ACs unless it were free, and we all know it would not be free. I am, however, capable of recognizing that not everyone plays the game the way I do or gets enjoyment from the same things, something others seem incapable of.

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Ratajack
06.11.2013 , 03:21 PM | #842
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
It would seamless.
Tell me again how a juggernaut changing class to a marauder and not being able to wear the armor he wore 5 minutes ago is seamless.

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branmakmuffin
06.11.2013 , 03:22 PM | #843
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Tell me again how a juggernaut changing class to a marauder and not being able to wear the armor he wore 5 minutes ago is seamless.
Tell me how that particular item would affect you or your characters.

And shame on you for quoting my typo.

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Ratajack
06.11.2013 , 03:23 PM | #844
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Thats talking about Race though, any race that picks trooper, goes through the same trooper story line, same as in WoW. and in WoW there are specific class stories just because there is no hard driven story questline doesnt mean there isnt a story.

And again, its not changing classes, its AC changing. If wow were to call you a Retribution for the class after you specd into it as a paladin, would you no longer be the paladin? yes you would be, same thing here.

It IS changing class. Just because some people refuse to see the truth does not make it any less true. You can choose to ignore the devs own statements all you want, but there it is. AC's are DIFFERENT classes, and changing AC's would be changing CLASSES. Are they called advanced specs? NO, they are called advanced CLASSES.

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branmakmuffin
06.11.2013 , 03:24 PM | #845
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
It IS changing class. Just because some people refuse to see the truth does not make it any less true. You can choose to ignore the devs own statements all you want, but there it is. AC's are DIFFERENT classes, and changing AC's would be changing CLASSES. Are they called advanced specs? NO, they are called advanced CLASSES.
You say it's changing class, others say it's just changing advanced class. So why are you right and others wrong?

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Ratajack
06.11.2013 , 03:28 PM | #846
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Tell me how that particular item would affect you or your characters.

And shame on you for quoting my typo.

You asked. I'll answer, although I know that you will dismiss it out of hand because it does not mesh with your views.

Hypothetically, I play a marauder. I get grouped with a juggernaut tank. If a medium armor strength piece drops, by social convention, it should default to me. If they allow class changes, now I have to compete with that juggernaut who claims it is for his character because he may change class or is planning to change class and needs to build his gear set. Is that enough of an affect for you?

And, yes, shame on me for not catching and correcting your grammatical error.

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PeterTLJr
06.11.2013 , 03:28 PM | #847
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
It IS changing class. Just because some people refuse to see the truth does not make it any less true. You can choose to ignore the devs own statements all you want, but there it is. AC's are DIFFERENT classes, and changing AC's would be changing CLASSES. Are they called advanced specs? NO, they are called advanced CLASSES.
unless im wrong, which i might be, but isnt the beginning of the thread showing a dev saying that there has been talks about advance class switching and will most likely happen?
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PeterTLJr
06.11.2013 , 03:29 PM | #848
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You asked. I'll answer, although I know that you will dismiss it out of hand because it does not mesh with your views.

Hypothetically, I play a marauder. I get grouped with a juggernaut tank. If a medium armor strength piece drops, by social convention, it should default to me. If they allow class changes, now I have to compete with that juggernaut who claims it is for his character because he may change class or is planning to change class and needs to build his gear set. Is that enough of an affect for you?

And, yes, shame on me for not catching and correcting your grammatical error.
armor doesnt decide a class. why is armor even a factor the only time armor will affect anybody is for the warrior/knight class, and theres an easy solution, if a medium piece drops and your on your heavy armor guy, you cant hit need, and if your on your medium armor guy, cant need on heavy
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Ratajack
06.11.2013 , 03:31 PM | #849
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You say it's changing class, others say it's just changing advanced class. So why are you right and others wrong?

The devs have said they are different classes, or did you miss the multiple times the devs own statement was quoted. A statement and position, I might add, that the devs have remained steadfast about and from which they have never wavered since they made the determination that the AC's were different classes during BETA.

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PeterTLJr
06.11.2013 , 03:32 PM | #850
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The devs have said they are different classes, or did you miss the multiple times the devs own statement was quoted. A statement and position, I might add, that the devs have remained steadfast about and from which they have never wavered since they made the determination that the AC's were different classes during BETA.
your ABSOLUTELY right, the devs have said that in the past but that doesnt mean it can be changed now.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.