ETA on Advanced Class change?

You are entitled to your opinion, name calling aside. I do not agree with it.

The players who want to be able to change their class, whether that be once, twice or at the drop of a hat, whenever they feel like changing class are still playing the game, so not allowing class changes is not reducing the current revenue for BW. If they choose to allow class changes, they may be able to see a quick influx of revenue, however brief. If they allow class changes, though, there will be people who will unsub and leave this game, as class changing is a major NO-NO among most MMO's. This loss of subs would reduce the ongoing revenue.

The question is will the quick influx of revenue be enough to offset the long term loss of revenue from the lost subs.

That does not even begin to factor in the outcry that will inevitably happen regarding cost if they allow class changes. I can almost guarantee that no matter what cost is set, it will be considered outrageous and too high by those clamoring for the ability to change class. Simply look at the outcry regarding server transfer costs, which are much more reasonable in this game than other MMO's.

Allowing class changes affects everyone in the game, not just the people changing class. We have already been down this road and explained countless times exactly how other players are affected by someone changing class. Some people simply refuse to recognize this.

Who wrote that rule? You. This ain't the "good" ol' days of EQ any more. The only people who care are the people who care. And the only reason they care is because they think it's "supposed" to be a major no-no. It has no impact on anyone else. The reasons some are opposed to it are grounded in some ill-conceived, erroneous belief that it promotes laziness or something similar to that. The whole point of a game is to have fun, If someone's idea of having fun in TOR is paying 100s of CCs to swap Advanced Classes, that's none of your business. They don't pay for or play the game for you to have fun, they pay for and play the game so that they can have fun.

Unless it's free or nearly so (which we both know it won't be) there will be the vociferous minority whining on the forums. Meanwhile, the majority of those who want to take advantage of it will simply do it and go on about their business, as is the case with everything BWEA charges CC for.

I'm guessing that the rule about class changing being a major NO-NO in most MMO's is one of those unwritten rules followed by most MMO's as I have never played any MMO that allowed class changes. I have played many MMO's where players wanted to be able to change class because they were too lazy to actually put the modicum of time and effort into actually leveling that new class, but not one of those MMO's caved and allowed class changes.

We have already explained that allowing class changes affects EVERY PLAYER, not just those that wish to change class. Go back and reread this thread for examples if you need them. So don't go on about it having no impact on everyone else.

You want to go on about how those opposed to class changes have no business being concerned about someone who wants a free max level character of an entirely different class handed to them for no effort if that's how that person wants to enjoy the game. What about the rights of those opposed to class changes? Do we not have to right to enjoy the game in the manner we enjoy? What if I enjoy running pugs and not having to worry about being grouped with a tank who until 5 minutes ago was a healer? Don't I get to play the game my way?

You mean like the minority here clamoring for a PERMANENT choice to be lifted, clamoring for the ability to change their class?

In what other MMOs would it be as seamless as it would be in TOR?

Ooooooo, there we go! "Lazy."

No, you have explained how you claim it affects others.

Yes. Therefore no one is going to force you to change your characters' ACs, should it become possible.

You sure do. You also don't get to tell others to play your way (well, you can try). Again, others pay and play so they can have, not so you can have fun.

If it were changed, it wouldn't be permanent, would it?

It wouldn't be seamless in this game, either.


Yep. If the shoe fits...


No, we have explained exactly how it would affect every player in the game. You simply refuse to acknowledge that because it doesn't fit in with what you want.


Correct, but you are asking to be able to force me to play with players who do, despite the fact that I would not find that fun.

But it is ok for you to tell me I have to play your way?


That is exactly the point. You were advised BEFORE you made the choice and advised many times that the choice was PERMANENT, and yet here you are asking for a new class for no effort.

We are going off track again here guys, lets stop taking others opinions so personal, its simple if you dont like the idea say why, if you like the idea say why, no need to start flaming others for their opinion. If you have a valid argument to make, make it.

Do you mean like those opposed to class changing have been doing for over 80 pages? If you want to see the logical, well thought out, reasonably presented arguments and the valid concerns, simply go back and read this thread from the beginning.

I have and trust me, i've seen your name in just about every page. And to me, you dont make any good arguments. You just simply tell people they are wrong then pick a fight with them.

Thats talking about Race though, any race that picks trooper, goes through the same trooper story line, same as in WoW. and in WoW there are specific class stories just because there is no hard driven story questline doesnt mean there isnt a story.

And again, its not changing classes, its AC changing. If wow were to call you a Retribution for the class after you specd into it as a paladin, would you no longer be the paladin? yes you would be, same thing here.