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sanchito
06.11.2013 , 09:08 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Crashedhardrive View Post
It is most definitely an exploit. They are using a known bug to their advantage, very definition of an exploit.
I'm currently leveling a new toon and i craft my own gear. I have access to this gear a full level earlier than pvp gear, and once i have it why should i downgrade to pvp gear? No way you can call this an exploit.

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Trephination
06.11.2013 , 09:09 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
I'm a hybrid tank. Compare mine to the vindicator.. I need crit somewhere for viable dps... Even if I went with the power heavy one, the numbers are still in line with each other, and that is compared to partisan.

The bonus damage difference is a bit over 7. Yes 7HP. And that number shrinks even more because the difference in EXP is slightly lower...

I also lost some crit since my main went down and lost 320HP... So the delta us not as much as it appears on the scoresheet...

So my point remains. It's a clear tradeoff and personal choice in stat allocation. Not exploit, and not unintended...
Pardon my bluntness, but you don't seem to have any idea what this exploit entails or how it works. From your posts it seems like you're under the impression that people are using the crafted gear because they like its stat budget better, when in actuality it's being used because bolster adds hundreds of extra stats that shouldn't be there when you enter a warzone using crafted 54s. This happens because bolster treats the crafted purple gear as if it's green quality, thus tricking the system into adding a lot of extra stats to make up for what is assumed to be much lower quality gear than you're actually wearing.

The effects of this bug are most obvious with the crafted level 54 weapons, which will add more than 150 force/tech power and 300+ weapon damage over conqueror when you enter a warzone, because of bolster. Ryvirath has provided a screenshot in the other thread to show this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=htuzqd&s=5

If looking at that screenshot doesn't immediately show you that this is completely unintended and potentially game-breaking, I don't know what else to tell you.
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L-RANDLE
06.11.2013 , 09:33 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Trephination View Post
Pardon my bluntness, but you don't seem to have any idea what this exploit entails or how it works. From your posts it seems like you're under the impression that people are using the crafted gear because they like its stat budget better, when in actuality it's being used because bolster adds hundreds of extra stats that shouldn't be there when you enter a warzone using crafted 54s. This happens because bolster treats the crafted purple gear as if it's green quality, thus tricking the system into adding a lot of extra stats to make up for what is assumed to be much lower quality gear than you're actually wearing.

The effects of this bug are most obvious with the crafted level 54 weapons, which will add more than 150 force/tech power and 300+ weapon damage over conqueror when you enter a warzone, because of bolster. Ryvirath has provided a screenshot in the other thread to show this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=htuzqd&s=5

If looking at that screenshot doesn't immediately show you that this is completely unintended and potentially game-breaking, I don't know what else to tell you.
You don't need to tell me anything... That SS shows exactly what I said you lose crit, end, and EXP when you make that trade. How about you post another screen shot of project with your PVP weapon on? I bet the delta is virtuqlky zero in the grand scheme of PVP. There is no trick.

Bolster makes all gear viable. How viable can be debated forever, but since there is not a decided advantage in wearing either pieces you can't call one an exploit. You just disagree where the bolster bar is set at...

Also please show me a crafted purple 54 that has 150 more force/tech. Sorry but its BS friend...
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Jaiyne
06.11.2013 , 09:35 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Trephination View Post
If looking at that screenshot doesn't immediately show you that this is completely unintended and potentially game-breaking, I don't know what else to tell you.
Good post. I am not using 54s but a TON of people I know are. Bioware should be all over this, but they very likely have little idea how to fix given that when they patch this one - there's going to be another tier of gear that could potentially cause the exact same issue. People will find it and this will start all over again.
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Trephination
06.11.2013 , 10:29 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
You don't need to tell me anything... That SS shows exactly what I said you lose crit, end, and EXP when you make that trade. How about you post another screen shot of project with your PVP weapon on? I bet the delta is virtuqlky zero in the grand scheme of PVP. There is no trick.

Bolster makes all gear viable. How viable can be debated forever, but since there is not a decided advantage in wearing either pieces you can't call one an exploit. You just disagree where the bolster bar is set at...

Also please show me a crafted purple 54 that has 150 more force/tech. Sorry but its BS friend...
How are you seeing a stat loss in the screenshot I linked? That player clearly still has over 2000 expertise (FULL 60% damage bonus) while retaining almost 2000 weapon damage. Conqueror weapon damage tops out at just over 1600 in a warzone.

You're looking at the crafted weapon stats outside of a warzone and thinking everything's ok. The exploit involves the bugged interaction between bolster and the crafted gear, which is where you see the inflated stats and is only in effect inside a warzone. I suggest you read through the massive thread in this forum to see various other screenshots if the one I linked is not enough for you.

Here's another one Ryvirath has provided, showing 1424 force power:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25iorq8&s=5
That's ~150 higher than if you had full conqueror with nothing but power mods on a shadow.
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Pistols
06.11.2013 , 10:37 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Trephination View Post
How are you seeing a stat loss in the screenshot I linked? That player clearly still has over 2000 expertise (FULL 60% damage bonus) while retaining almost 2000 weapon damage. Conqueror weapon damage tops out at just over 1600 in a warzone.

You're looking at the crafted weapon stats outside of a warzone and thinking everything's ok. The exploit involves the bugged interaction between bolster and the crafted gear, which is where you see the inflated stats and is only in effect inside a warzone. I suggest you read through the massive thread in this forum to see various other screenshots if the one I linked is not enough for you.

Here's another one Ryvirath has provided, showing 1424 force power:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25iorq8&s=5
That's ~150 higher than if you had full conqueror with nothing but power mods on a shadow.
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L-RANDLE
06.11.2013 , 10:55 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Trephination View Post
How are you seeing a stat loss in the screenshot I linked? That player clearly still has over 2000 expertise (FULL 60% damage bonus) while retaining almost 2000 weapon damage. Conqueror weapon damage tops out at just over 1600 in a warzone.

You're looking at the crafted weapon stats outside of a warzone and thinking everything's ok. The exploit involves the bugged interaction between bolster and the crafted gear, which is where you see the inflated stats and is only in effect inside a warzone. I suggest you read through the massive thread in this forum to see various other screenshots if the one I linked is not enough for you.

Here's another one Ryvirath has provided, showing 1424 force power:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25iorq8&s=5
That's ~150 higher than if you had full conqueror with nothing but power mods on a shadow.
That screen shot show 1424 BONUS DAMAGE.... Which is comprised of main, forcepower, and power. If he has a screen showing lower numbers with partisan, I might beleive it... But you won't. Why? You lose main... So the gain in fp is opposed to the loss in main, thereby making it a wash.

Also where is the PVP percentage showing "full" exp? Sorry but my calc puts 2008exp around 58%.... Not full.. and that for a into how strong attacks are in PVP.

To be blunt those screen only show numbers with that stuff on, and don't even have mouseovers showing stats to back up you claim.
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Trephination
06.11.2013 , 11:27 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
That screen shot show 1424 BONUS DAMAGE.... Which is comprised of main, forcepower, and power. If he has a screen showing lower numbers with partisan, I might beleive it... But you won't. Why? You lose main... So the gain in fp is opposed to the loss in main, thereby making it a wash.

Also where is the PVP percentage showing "full" exp? Sorry but my calc puts 2008exp around 58%.... Not full.. and that for a into how strong attacks are in PVP.

To be blunt those screen only show numbers with that stuff on, and don't even have mouseovers showing stats to back up you claim.
I'm afraid we're finished here. If you're so far removed from the game's current stat budget that you can see 1420+ bonus damage on a shadow without immediately recognizing a glaring issue, there's no point in having this discussion.

Hint: It isn't even in the realm of possibility with perfectly power-stacked conq. gear.
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Mikeieveli
06.11.2013 , 11:47 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
I'm a hybrid tank. Compare mine to the vindicator.. I need crit somewhere for viable dps... Even if I went with the power heavy one, the numbers are still in line with each other, and that is compared to partisan.

The bonus damage difference is a bit over 7. Yes 7HP. And that number shrinks even more because the difference in EXP is slightly lower...

I also lost some crit since my main went down and lost 320HP... So the delta us not as much as it appears on the scoresheet...

So my point remains. It's a clear tradeoff and personal choice in stat allocation. Not exploit, and not unintended...
Hey guy that thinks this is not an exploit and not unintended, there is another post regarding this issue. BW, Eric, posted in that thread that they are working to resolve the issue. I want to pose a question to you, if its not an exploit and not unintended then what "issue" are they working on? Do some research before you open your mouth... I provided a link for you, enjoy!
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=645792
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revcrisis
06.11.2013 , 12:02 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Trephination View Post
I'm afraid we're finished here. If you're so far removed from the game's current stat budget that you can see 1420+ bonus damage on a shadow without immediately recognizing a glaring issue, there's no point in having this discussion.

Hint: It isn't even in the realm of possibility with perfectly power-stacked conq. gear.
This. Perfectly min/maxed conqeuror gear will come ABSOLUTELY nowhere close to 1420 bonus damage at 2008 expertise. It's a huge issue, Eric and Amber have hopefully passed this onto the PVP team.