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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:50 PM | #801
Since the latest quote from Bioware is being interpreted as doublespeak or lip service and we are expected to accept that possibility, it is only fair to also accept the possibility that this quote does not mean what it infers either....

Aurozia: Will there be a dual specialization system in the future? Will there be a possibility of changing advance classes as well?

Daniel Erickson: We have no plans for switching advanced classes - which we see as fundamentally different class designs- but dual spec is in the works and coming soon.


Fundamentally different class designs does not necessarily mean completely different classes. It could be inferred that they meant very different designs WITHIN the class.

I think it is likely they meant exactly what they said...but then again we are prone to making our own definitions here. The argument can be made they did not DIRECTLY state there are 16 classes in the game. To my knowledge this is a community contention only.

I could be wrong naturally. I am open to posts from Bioware that state there are 16 classes if anyone has them.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:50 PM | #802
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Then I guess you know more than the devs, because as has been stated and quoted many times, they have stated otherwise. Why is it called advanced CLASS and not advanced spec?

Maybe when you write tht letter, you should ask EA to fire all the devs and let you do all the work on this game, since you know better than the devs.
ok, i will do that.
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Peace will win and fear will lose.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:52 PM | #803
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Since the latest quote from Bioware is being interpreted as doublespeak or lip service and we are expected to accept that possibility, it is only fair to also accept the possibility that this quote does not mean what it infers either....

Aurozia: Will there be a dual specialization system in the future? Will there be a possibility of changing advance classes as well?

Daniel Erickson: We have no plans for switching advanced classes - which we see as fundamentally different class designs- but dual spec is in the works and coming soon.


Fundamentally different class designs does not necessarily mean completely different classes. It could be inferred that they meant very different designs WITHIN the class.

I think it is likely they meant exactly what they said...but then again we are prone to making our own definitions here. The argument can be made they did not DIRECTLY state there are 16 classes in the game. To my knowledge this is a community contention only.

I could be wrong naturally. I am open to posts from Bioware that state there are 16 classes if anyone has them.
According to the actual site, and every other site, theres 4 classes on each faction, not 8 or 16. That is what im going off, unless im told different from a post that isnt older then a year, that is what ill stand by.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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TangledDruid
06.10.2013 , 08:52 PM | #804
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
troopers the class, commando and vanguards are specs.
Sorry.

Specs are:
Combat Medic
Gunnery
Assault

Edit:
ZOMG, I fell for it again.

You are either a Grade A Troll, or we need to talk to your helper.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:53 PM | #805
Quote: Originally Posted by TangledDruid View Post
Sorry.

Specs are:
Combat Medic
Gunnery
Assault
those are just trees, not specs.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:54 PM | #806
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Since the latest quote from Bioware is being interpreted as doublespeak or lip service and we are expected to accept that possibility, it is only fair to also accept the possibility that this quote does not mean what it infers either....

Aurozia: Will there be a dual specialization system in the future? Will there be a possibility of changing advance classes as well?

Daniel Erickson: We have no plans for switching advanced classes - which we see as fundamentally different class designs- but dual spec is in the works and coming soon.


Fundamentally different class designs does not necessarily mean completely different classes. It could be inferred that they meant very different designs WITHIN the class.

I think it is likely they meant exactly what they said...but then again we are prone to making our own definitions here. The argument can be made they did not DIRECTLY state there are 16 classes in the game. To my knowledge this is a community contention only.

I could be wrong naturally. I am open to posts from Bioware that state there are 16 classes if anyone has them.
If they meant different designs within the class, then the term used would have been fundamentally different spec designs and not fundamentally different class designs. The choice made at level 10 would have been advanced spec and not advanced CLASS.

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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:55 PM | #807
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
According to the actual site, and every other site, theres 4 classes on each faction, not 8 or 16. That is what im going off, unless im told different from a post that isnt older then a year, that is what ill stand by.
And as far as I am aware...and that doesn't mean it's not out there...Bioware has not stated there are 16 classes in the game as far as I can tell.

All posts I find so far indicate that they feel the AC choice is important and should not be trivial (something they came up with after the uproar for removing AC change) but all descriptions of ACs so far that I have found describe them as either class refinements or playstyle choices....not individual classes in their own right.

I think I remember one quote from DE that stated an AC is ALMOST like a new class, as it has a very different feel...I'll see if I can find that.

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:56 PM | #808
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
According to the actual site, and every other site, theres 4 classes on each faction, not 8 or 16. That is what im going off, unless im told different from a post that isnt older then a year, that is what ill stand by.
Sticking your head in the sand or putting your fingers in your ears going "NAHNAHNAHNAHNAH" doesn't change the facts.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:57 PM | #809
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Sticking your head in the sand or putting your fingers in your ears going "NAHNAHNAHNAHNAH" doesn't change the facts.
cool story.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:59 PM | #810
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If they meant different designs within the class, then the term used would have been fundamentally different spec designs and not fundamentally different class designs. The choice made at level 10 would have been advanced spec and not advanced CLASS.
Now wait a moment Ratajack. Your taking the quote verbatimn. You can't do that without conceding that it could have had other meanings since the argument is made in this thread by con people that the MOST RECENT quote indicating clearly they are discussing AC change and it is likely to happen is not what they meant. The contention is made that it is doublespeak or lip service. It has also been made clear, based on developer comments that the ACs were NOT designed as individual classes nor presented that way, and the contention that they were different classes was INFERRED after being pressed about removing AC change.

This is not saying YOU are making the contention that they meant something different in that recent quote...you may not have that view. To be honest Ive lost track as to who has taken that view in this thread. You are of course speaking to whether or not AC is a class.

I think you are right. I am simply stating that if we infer other meanings one has to do so with this one as well to be fair.