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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:32 PM | #791
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
the point is juggernaut and marauder are from the same base class, juggernaut and vanguard arent. it wouldnt be hard for a marauder to decide to go to a juggernaut. its in the same base class frame
But still different classes. Do you truly not understand that?

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:35 PM | #792
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
But still different classes. Do you truly not understand that?
I guess I dont, please explain it to me.
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Jeweledleah
06.10.2013 , 08:35 PM | #793
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Is changing from vanguard to commando a class change? YES

Is changing from vanguard to sentinel a class change? YES

They are both class changes. If we're going to allow class changes, then those that want to be able to switch from vanguard to sentinel should be able to do so. It's a little hypocritical to allow one and not the other. If we're going to disallow changing from vanguard to sentinel, then we should also disallow changing from vanguard to commando.
is apple a fruit? yes
isd orange a fruit? yes

are they the same fruit?

NO.

there's a big BIG difference between changing stories companions etc and merely changing specialization. it plays like a different class becasue right now its permanent.

but the reason its feasible, while changing from sith warrior to trooper is not? is because STORY is the same whether you play jugg or marauder.

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:37 PM | #794
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
but a vanguard to a commando is not a class change! let me go back to my previous argument, lets use wow analogy, as a paladin you get certain abilities for being a paladin, then you pick retribution, you get abilities for picking retribution. its the same concept! you get abilities for being a trooper, then abilities for picking vanguard.
So, you are again saying that the devs are wrong? Do I need to point out again that the latest statement from the devs regarding AC's as classes clearly states they are different classes? Do we need to point out again that the devs specifically designed the classes so that no one character could fill all three roles?

Maybe you should just write a letter to EA and let them know that the devs are all wrong and that the different AC's are really not different classes after all, since you want to be able to switch AC's.

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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:38 PM | #795
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Wait. So, that would already make this one of those things that BW changed.
Yes, It would seem that way.

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It may be possible that BW simply chose to spin the decision as to not allowing AC changes at launch as being different classes. That does not negate the fact that they have remained steadfast in that regard since the previously mentioned quote.
Your absolutely correct. To my knowledge they have remained steadfast to that contention since the removal of AC switching, and until I see something different that is how I will feel about that.

It just seems it might be possible that they are considering going back to what they allowed in the first place...perhaps relaxing their stance a bit.

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I also find it very interesting to hear you say that the devs removed AC changes due to fear of abuse, which just happens to be one of the reasons many people are against class changes. Why would the devs be so afraid of abuse if it were not a class change?
Yes, I wish I still had that interview so I could post it verbatim. They discussed how they viewed ACs at that point (it was before launch, during testing) and they still had the view that the AC was not a class. That was clear in the interview...the main concern was abuse.

I pointed out in one of my prior posts that abuse is a valid concern....one of the reasons I'm not wild about late game AC change.

However it is quite clear that they were not designed as separate classes, clearly stated on more than one occasion, and that it is obvious they "adopted" the "view" that they are advanced classes when pressed about removing the ability to change AC.

It is more likely, based on this information that they were not, in fact, designed or intended to be individual classes.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:41 PM | #796
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Yes, It would seem that way.



Your absolutely correct. To my knowledge they have remained steadfast to that contention since the removal of AC switching, and until I see something different that is how I will feel about that.

It just seems it might be possible that they are considering going back to what they allowed in the first place...perhaps relaxing their stance a bit.



Yes, I wish I still had that interview so I could post it verbatim. They discussed how they viewed ACs at that point (it was before launch, during testing) and they still had the view that the AC was not a class. That was clear in the interview...the main concern was abuse.

I pointed out in one of my prior posts that abuse is a valid concern....one of the reasons I'm not wild about late game AC change.
Which is why they need to put restrictions on it. If they do that, the people who want it win, the people who dont want it win, they get money they win, we all win.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:41 PM | #797
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
is apple a fruit? yes
isd orange a fruit? yes

are they the same fruit?

NO.

there's a big BIG difference between changing stories companions etc and merely changing specialization. it plays like a different class becasue right now its permanent.

but the reason its feasible, while changing from sith warrior to trooper is not? is because STORY is the same whether you play jugg or marauder.
Is a vanguard a class? YES

Is a commando a class? YES

Are they the same class? NO, they are most definitely not.

Changing from a vanguard to a commando is NOT simply changing spec. It is changing class. That is the latest word from the devs and they have not once said anything to the contrary since that quote. If you want to tell the devs that they are wrong just because you want to change your class, then be my guest.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:45 PM | #798
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Is a vanguard a class? YES

Is a commando a class? YES

Are they the same class? NO, they are most definitely not.

Changing from a vanguard to a commando is NOT simply changing spec. It is changing class. That is the latest word from the devs and they have not once said anything to the contrary since that quote. If you want to tell the devs that they are wrong just because you want to change your class, then be my guest.
troopers the class, commando and vanguards are specs.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:46 PM | #799
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Which is why they need to put restrictions on it. If they do that, the people who want it win, the people who dont want it win, they get money they win, we all win.
Putting restrictions on it will make no difference. There are already restrictions on AC changing, yet here we are over 80 pages into a thread because some people cannot handle even the existing restriction, which is your AC choice is PERMANENT. You were made aware of this restriction many times before you actually made your AC choice, yet here you are arguing for that restriction to be lifted. What makes you think allowing AC changes with restrictions would change that?

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Ratajack
06.10.2013 , 08:49 PM | #800
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
troopers the class, commando and vanguards are specs.
Then I guess you know more than the devs, because as has been stated and quoted many times, they have stated otherwise. Why is it called advanced CLASS and not advanced spec?

Maybe when you write tht letter, you should ask EA to fire all the devs and let you do all the work on this game, since you know better than the devs.