ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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MajikMyst

06.10.2013 , 11:13 AM \| #681	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin AC change is not P2W. Paying for it with CC is pay to win..
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astrobearx

06.10.2013 , 11:13 AM \| #682	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin AC change is not P2W. indeed lol pay to win, ok sure bro.

astrobearx

06.10.2013 , 11:14 AM \| #683	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst Paying for it with CC is pay to win.. by that defintion , most legacy perks are p2w

branmakmuffin

06.10.2013 , 11:14 AM \| #684	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx indeed Glad you agree. Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx by that defintion , most legacy perks are p2w Yup. Buying the Human race legacy to get +100 Presence on all your characters, for example.

chimex

06.10.2013 , 11:20 AM \| #685	Quote
Ok, I see the above posters are trying to niggle over insults and semantics, so let's draw this back, shall we. A question for those who are wanting AC changes, please explain clearly: 1) Why do you want it? 2) What practical purpose does this serve? 3) What limitations (if any) do you consider as reasonable? 4) Seeing as AC choices are currently permanent, what have been your work arounds for this? I'm asking, because I'm from the point of view of they should not be implemented. If they are, they should at least carry heavy restrictions. However, in the spirit of general discussion, maybe the questions I have asked might shed some light on something I (and others) have not considered. ok, gogogoggo
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Bomyne

06.10.2013 , 11:24 AM \| #686	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr Back to what I posted earlier, skill trees dont make the class, the class is the class. If I went from vanguard to commando, and gain a couple different skill trees, I'm still the trooper. Keep in mind every class shares 1 skill tree, theres only 2 unique ones between each AC. If you allow class change from Commando to Vanguard, why not Commando to Gunslinger? It's the same evil.

MajikMyst

06.10.2013 , 11:27 AM \| #687	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by chimex Yes, you are 100% correct. Which is why I am against the idea of AC change. It states permanent, therefore, expect permanent. I also agree that if BW implemented the once change (and once more, back) to begin with, this would likely be a moot point. If it were up to me, this would not even be a topic of discussion, there would be no AC changes what so ever. However, it is not up to me. Also, it is not up to the people who would like to throw cash at the problem and change AC's more times than their own socks. There is, however, a middle ground. That is the point of view I am trying to reach. A way the people who say "it says permanent" and "it can lead to AC swapping more than a kardashians marrage" can be appeased with the knowledge that with a twice in a lifetime change (swap once, with an option to swap once more, back) that there is still a backbone (however bendy) in the notion that AC's and the choices regarding them still mean something. Also, it allows that small amount of flexibility in offering those who do wish to swap AC's the chance to do so. Of course, there are some arguments which ring true such as achievements and event items (rackgoul plague crystals) which a reroll simply cannot accommodate for. With that in mind, I do (however reluctantly) see an honest and legitimate reason for want of an AC change. That said, I will fight tooth and nail to see the number of changes minimized. Again.. The problem is, there is no flexibility in permanent.. There is no such thing as permanent as long as people ask that Bioware be flexible.. The harm is simply, that the rules of the game mean nothing.. People can get anything they want just by complaining about it on the forums.. There has to be some rules that remain sacred.. What is next?? God mode?? Perhaps not having to level a character?? There is no reason to allow AC changing.. People can roll new characters.. That is why we can have alts.. The argument for AC swapping would have more validity if we were only allowed a single character.. But we aren't.. This issue would also most likely be moot if we chose our AC during character creation.. Instead of at level 10.. For some reason choosing it at level 10 gives people the idea that it is ok to change or it or you should be allowed to change it.. That is simply wrong... I understand the desire to change it.. But on the same token when you rolled a warlock in WOW and decided you wanted a mage.. What did you do?? You rolled a new character.. That was just the reality of that game.. It should be the same with this game.. Changing your class should not be allowed.. Period..
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Bomyne

06.10.2013 , 11:33 AM \| #688	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy Pay to win is not trivial. I'm anti class change and I think calling it pay to win is a little extreme. It's a change that would cause chaos, both within the player base and in the database. It'll cause arguments over gear, and cause flavour of the month classes to appear... But if anything, a class changer would be at a disadvantage due to not knowig how to play the new class, being ungeared, etc.

MajikMyst

06.10.2013 , 11:39 AM \| #689	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx by that defintion , most legacy perks are p2w That is actually not true in the slightest.. The only real stat you can get from legacy is presence and that has no real impact on your character.. So no.. Legacy is no pay to win.. Nice try though.. The only real pay to win thing we have in the game right now are the ship upgrades can be bought in the CC market.. Bioware has already admitted to this mistake.. Still, it isn't a big issue cause it doesn't really effect your player in competition with other players.. It doesn't effect balance.. Like presence, in the areas that matter, it doesn't effect balance..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him? [.] Lost but never forgotten!! 12-01-2011 R.I.P.

MajikMyst

06.10.2013 , 11:40 AM \| #690	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Bomyne I'm anti class change and I think calling it pay to win is a little extreme.. The reason it was called pay to win, was the idea to purchase it in the market was brought up.. Hence pay to win.. Nobody called AC swapping pay to win.. The idea of buying it is pay to win and it is..
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