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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 07:41 AM | #651
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
dude just give up. you lack the ability to understand that the class is a vanguard, not a trooper. That is a fact there is no disputing it.
yes I get it, you told me I lack the ability to understand blah blah blah like 20 times now, come back when you actually have a valid argument here.

btw, the class is still trooper, not vanguard.
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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 07:46 AM | #652
Quote: Originally Posted by AsheraII View Post
Bioware should simply implement a couple of Advanced Class specific missions, meaning a Sage would get an entirely different mission from a Shadow, and a Mercenary would get a radically different mission from a Powertech. Give an advanced-class specific companion as a final reward (it would certainly help balance out some advanced classes if done right), and Bioware will have the perfect excuse to kill these threads forever, by the ONLY excuse those wanting AC changes have for it. The stories will no longer be the same, and choice of companions became different as well.

The best part of it: people HAVE been asking for more story content. So that's 2 birds with one stone!
I agree, if advance classes were meant to be treated as separate classes, they should have some tweeks to each story to make it feel that way.
They should have done this right from the start. I don't see them doing this anytime soon though, maybe in a future expansion theyll make it so your AC actually comes into play with the story.
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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 07:50 AM | #653
Quote: Originally Posted by illuzian View Post
I'm with this guy. Essentially changing trees means you need to learn new rotations and skills.

Advanced class change means you need to research a little, much like a tree change. In fact every time I've changed trees I've gone through the talents, reviewed others builds and rotations and then experimented.

I think anyone who doesn't agree this is a valid point has a very narrow vision. An advanced class change would be great in my opinion for the sole reason that this game is story driven. Having to redo a story because you want a different advanced class would suck, at least for me. While I may do this in the future, it's not really my thing. I'm not really into the grind that some people are so obsessed with and the epeen that it supposedly allows them to tote.
thank you!
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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:01 AM | #654
Quote: Originally Posted by Jedi_Titus View Post
Lol, I didn't stop trying, If they offer the advanced class change. I guarantee it was not the choice of the developers, but EA telling them to implement it for money in the form of cartel coins.

If they implement this it will ruin the game.
Fair enough if you feel that way, but I don't exactly agree.

I don't think it would ruin the game, but depending on how it's implemented I believe it could have a negative impact on which classes folks will play, and that might make some classes virtually disappear from the end game.

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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:05 AM | #655
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
you still do not get it... they put it that way because they do not want to ever say it will never happen so they make the answer political.

They will not do AC swaps they know it will ruin the game.
Complete and pure speculation. It seems you are the one that does not get it...you simply made it mean something that supports your view instead of simply taking it for it's word.

It is silly to claim an interpretation is more likely accurate then the verbatim meaning. There is no inference there...it's meaning is crystal clear. That meaning is more likely than any conspiracy anyone may concoct.

That does not mean it is ironclad...he did say it was likely in the future...he didn't say it was a definite. But to claim it was doublespeak and any other contention is dead wrong is just ludicrous.

Could you be right? Sure. Is it likely your right? No.

Proof? The statement itself.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:19 AM | #656
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Fair enough if you feel that way, but I don't exactly agree.

I don't think it would ruin the game, but depending on how it's implemented I believe it could have a negative impact on which classes folks will play, and that might make some classes virtually disappear from the end game.
It's better then PEOPLE actually disappearing from end game. But seriously, I dont think we would see any advance classes disappear from end game, but who knows.
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LordArtemis
06.10.2013 , 08:30 AM | #657
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
It's better then PEOPLE actually disappearing from end game. But seriously, I dont think we would see any advance classes disappear from end game, but who knows.
I really don't have any evidence of this...it's just a reason some folks brought up as a negative, and it seemed plausible. Its really the one thing that still gives me pause about throwing in my support for late game AC change.

I have little issue with early game change as long as it is shortly after the initial choice is made.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 08:43 AM | #658
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I really don't have any evidence of this...it's just a reason some folks brought up as a negative, and it seemed plausible. Its really the one thing that still gives me pause about throwing in my support for late game AC change.

I have little issue with early game change as long as it is shortly after the initial choice is made.
The only thing I can think of is, if they allow advance class respecs, and it causes an entire advance class to almost disappear from end game, thats on EA/Bioware for not making that advance class more useful at end game, not ours for not playing it. As far as making it an early game change, I don't see it making much of a difference. Heres what I think, allow people to change AC as much as they want before level 50, it gives people the option to fully play around with the base class and figure out what they want to do at end game. Then at 50+ (or 55) make it still an option, but with more restrictions, put a timer on it (you can only do it once every lets say 6 months just an example), only allow so many changes per character, make it a little pricey so people have to actually think about it before just tossing money into it, ect.
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Bomyne
06.10.2013 , 09:00 AM | #659
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
yes I get it, you told me I lack the ability to understand blah blah blah like 20 times now, come back when you actually have a valid argument here.

btw, the class is still trooper, not vanguard.
No, your class is not a trooper. That is the archtype. Once you choose your class at level ten, archtype becomes irrelevant.

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PeterTLJr
06.10.2013 , 09:02 AM | #660
Quote: Originally Posted by Bomyne View Post
No, your class is not a trooper. That is the archtype. Once you choose your class at level ten, archtype becomes irrelevant.
http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes

I just checked, they are still the classes.

Lets pretend your right though, and I pick trooper to start out with, but at level 10 I decide to go vanguard, your saying i'm no longer a trooper right? I still get abilities from being a trooper, and all troopers share those abilities, just because I choose vanguard and someone chooses commando, now means we both arent troopers?
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