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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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branmakmuffin
06.07.2013 , 12:23 PM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by Windova View Post
My opinion:

AC changes would be fine, it doesn't bother me that much. This game is simple to convert to a different class and easy to adjust to. Out of all MMOs I have played this one has to be the easiest when it comes to learning a class.

HOWEVER

We have double XP weekends. This should be a time where someone who wants that other AC go ahead and level it. It's really not that hard to level a toon up quickly with the double XP.

Now my argument would be one or the other. We can't have both too many people will rage quit.
How many people who /ragequit do you think stay quit? I imagine hardly any.

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Windova
06.07.2013 , 12:24 PM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
How many people who /ragequit do you think stay quit? I imagine hardly any.
You're right, they just claim that they will
Your worth enough dead....

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Xeperi
06.08.2013 , 10:51 PM | #573
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
It seems that arguing over the definition of words tends to bring the discussion to a halt.

So, right now it looks like the two suggestions are....

Low level AC change allowed shortly after making your first AC choice so you can correct a mistake in that choice.

Top level AC change with limited uses after your story completes with a cooldown.


I am leaning toward supporting the first one.
I don't disagree with this at all. My side argument there was against the point that competition, as a rule, must be disallowed from conversation about ac changes in swtor.

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Xeperi
06.08.2013 , 10:56 PM | #574
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
How many people who /ragequit do you think stay quit? I imagine hardly any.
The thing with /ragequitting is that, yes, most rage quitters eventually come back. Then they do it again, and come back at an even later time. Eventually they do not come back at all. It is a process.

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Jeweledleah
06.08.2013 , 11:50 PM | #575
Quote: Originally Posted by spectreclees View Post
If they allow AC changes I'll most likely quit. It ruins the whole point of picking one in the first place. You choose your path, you stick with it. You don't decide to become a healer randomly. That's not how it works.

WoW had tri-spec classes but they also used all of their abilities from each spec. Paladins for example as a retribution (Dps Paladin) you could still cast a small heal once in awhile to keep yourself alive you also had a defensive cooldown (Tank) and you had your taunts (though they did nothing.)

This game doesn't allow that. You don't pick up heal abilities from your sage tree as you level your shadow. You are essentially changing your entire class and learning new abilities.
now but even as a sage, you have couple of melee saber strikes. as a shadow, you still use knockback and lightning (that rock throwing ability, that I cannot remember the name of) you use the same dots sages do.

so you just with your own argument, shown that abilities ARE in fact shared between ac's. and if that was the argument against it, you defeated it all on your own.

also - you don't use all of your abilities across 3 specs in wow, you never had. its even more apparent now, when abilities are given to you when you chose a spec, and you don't really get to chose, you actually have fewer shared abilities in WoW then you used to because they quite literally removed them from use by other specs.

edited to add.

for me personally at least its not a matter of not wanting to reroll (or being too lazy >_> ). I quite happily level multiple alts with multiple AC's. current count of active alts is 12 with 2 more that I may or may not play. for me its a matter of investing into a character, or having a character that was rolled during the time when certain items were available that are not available anymore, and losing all of that, some of those things being irreplaceable, quite literally. with no recourse.

so honestly at this point I'd be happier if they would allow me to transfer legacy perks/ unique items to my rerolled character, more so than being able to change AC. (I already rerolled after all). but this might not work for everyone.

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LordArtemis
06.09.2013 , 12:05 AM | #576
I am usually an advocate for trying to keep every player playing the game. I really dislike the "door hit you" kind of comments. But I have to say that if someone threatens to quit playing the game due to a belief that it is somehow immoral to change your AC...the decisions should matter or I don't want to play stand...well, I'm not sure that is a stance that Bioware should pay attention to IMO.

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MajikMyst
06.09.2013 , 03:26 AM | #577
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I am usually an advocate for trying to keep every player playing the game. I really dislike the "door hit you" kind of comments. But I have to say that if someone threatens to quit playing the game due to a belief that it is somehow immoral to change your AC...the decisions should matter or I don't want to play stand...well, I'm not sure that is a stance that Bioware should pay attention to IMO.
Wow has lost 3 million players and counting because Blizzard didn't listen to people that made those statements..

The topic of changing your class is one that just shouldn't have come up.. People have got so self entitled that they feel they can pressure a game developer in to changing anything to suit their needs.. This shouldn't even be open for discussion.. That is the entire point of rolling alts.. To play other classes.. No.. We the players do not get to debate what a class is or isn't.. Bioware is the authority here.. They designed the game, they get to decide..

The game is very clear on that our choices are permanent.. What more is there to ask??

Some people do threaten to leave because they mean it and they will.. After all, it is our only recourse as a player to let Bioware know they messed up.. They should listen to those people.. They should listen to everyone.. They should look for solutions that are in the games best interest.. For everyone.. Not just a few people..

AC swapping is not a change that is better for the game as a whole.. It is already a rule of the game.. There is no reason to change it because some people are to lazy to level another character..
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skomerko
06.09.2013 , 03:42 AM | #578
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Ajaxduo
06.09.2013 , 04:32 AM | #579
I really don't see the problem with implementing a paid of advanced class respec, it would allow casual gamers who don't have the time to reroll to switch over their existing character and they can continue to enjoy the game. Healer in your guild away on holiday and you desperately need one for the Ops team? Sure let me just spec over my Sniper. Flexibility and variety are important aspects in modern mmos, I understand those arguing against it are worried about FoTM PvP. But in all honesty you already have that, those who have the time just roll a character and use legacy gear to skip the grind. The pros outweigh the insignificant cons. Oh and you could be sure EAware would slap a hefty price on it and people would pay it, extra income for future content. I want to see more 'useful' things on the CM to spend my CC on, not just packs. We also need Skill loadouts for different specs, Guild ships, commendation exchange, etc.

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Syanis
06.09.2013 , 05:00 AM | #580
It was so easy to level up a toon before plus add in all the exp perks and the return of double exp weeks. Its a killer to allow advanced class respecs. Make a new toon, the game is built on making many toons. I'm also betting the vast vast majority wanting it spend countless hours in the fleet sitting around doing jack.

The real issue is people don't want to gear a new toon and be thinking how the same gear almost on their other toon of same base class is better / worse.

Tough crap imo. Bad idea allowing adv class respecs, simply bad business unless u charge like 2500 cartel coins per change or some other ungodly rate and allow it like once every 2-4 weeks max.