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awesome job bioware for caving to the l33t stun loving pvpers
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cycao
06.06.2013 , 06:11 AM | #41
There are better ways to help with CC. Changing how resolve drains when full, changing how over lapping stuns work, putting in a second bar to resolve which grants a small amount of imunnity to CC after a stun/mez ends.

Most of us 'l33t stun loving pvpers' think that there is to much stuns going on and all of us think that their choice to not implement this change is a good thing.

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islander
06.06.2013 , 06:18 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx View Post
as anyone who play pvp knows that there is two things that is certain to happen in any match

1.you will inevitably die

2. you will be stun,root or hit with some ability that wont allow you to move

sometimes 2 will always lead to 1


bioware heard the many cry of MANY players to either nerf the stuns or do something to fix the issue.

** more QQ in here ***
GG BIOWARE G FRICKING G

PLEASE MOAR STUNFEST PL0X



OK, im not that mad, but come on if you arent going to do the death cc breaker reset then make the resolve better or something. dont let us go to 2.2 and dont try to deal with this issue
Wrong. The "leet' PvPers are the ones who do double the damage dealt then you in every warzone. Stuns don't really adversely effect their performance. Please, team stun bubble is gone now THAT was an ugly stun fest.

Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
There are better ways to help with CC. Changing how resolve drains when full, changing how over lapping stuns work, putting in a second bar to resolve which grants a small amount of imunnity to CC after a stun/mez ends.
This is how the issue should be addressed. From the very beginning, I thought the resolve system was great, but needed tweaking, especially in how fast it drains.
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Savej
06.06.2013 , 06:31 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
I almost wish they changed their mind and did it at this stage.

The QQ by the OP about how every Voidstar is 15min of being stuck at the first door and how every CW is practically gg the second a team caps both sides would have been spectacular.
We're there now in about half my games. The stun reset on death wouldn't really change it for the worse, a few of you just think it would (the one person I noticed commenting on the change who had used the PTS was not complaining).

I don't think there's any PVP change that BW could make or suggest at this point that wouldn't get flamed and ridiculed. Even when they give very few details about a future change it is happening.

The "only bads die" comment above is hilarious, btw.

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islander
06.06.2013 , 06:44 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by BuzzingFridge View Post
This, so much.

Please learn when to use your CC-breaker before you start making threads about it needing a shorter cooldown.
Totally agree. The only people begging for this proposed 2.2 change are bads who don't know the right time and the wrong time to eat a stun. Occasionally, I make the same mistake, but thats what it is - a mistake, a user error.
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06.06.2013 , 07:03 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandrain View Post
^^ There's also massive balance issues to keep in mind.

You thought a healer was hard to kill now? Well wait until they have a 30 sec stun breaker.
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06.06.2013 , 07:13 AM | #46
I'm glad it got cut, and hope a more thoughtful approach is taken next time. Unintelligent play and bad dynamics don't need to be bolstered (ba dum tsss) devs, use less chop-logic please.
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06.06.2013 , 07:35 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by thenahash View Post
they do what they think should be done, disregarding the "vocal minority".
Result: Fu bioware for not caring about your subscribers.

They listen and change stuff based on people's feedback.
Result: Fu bioware for listening to a vocal minority

you can never win with this crowd...
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astrobearx
06.06.2013 , 08:48 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
Totally agree. The only people begging for this proposed 2.2 change are bads who don't know the right time and the wrong time to eat a stun. Occasionally, I make the same mistake, but thats what it is - a mistake, a user error.
lol implying i dont know how to use my cc breaker or that im a "bad", you know, you can't judge a book by it cover, but whatever man. keep on thinking what you want


i love it as all the people who is calling a "bad", didnt even try to go on the pts and test this new feature, but instantly went to the ignorant mob mentality and declare the new feature bad and anyone who like it "bad(s)"

you know what problem really is? my problem with bioware made this decision is 2 things..


1.they made their decision, not on the players who ACTUALLY play on the PTS, who can accurately state where the problem, but on the "experience", "good" or etc players who didnt even test the damn thing.

and after fully reading the thread that lead to bioware backpeddling from their decision

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=643881

it seems most of the people that actually test all basically say "the problem isnt as bad as everyone says"

2.not trying to fix the resolve bar.

let be honest here, the resolve bar is broken, it is useless as it doesnt work properly and it constantly fail to fulfill it purpose. clearly this new feature was an attempt to fix this problem. so when the new feature apparently fail due to the fact /stuck option will be abused (im not oblivious to the reason why this new feature wont hit live btw), so instead of trying something new like i dont know, reduce a cc breaker CD or something, which IS THE PURPOSE of the new feature TO SOLVE THE STUNFEST, they just doing nothing (or going back to the drawing board i suppose). now that what irritate me more then them being bullied by the the uninformed masses, is the fact they arent temporary providing a substitute to the stunfest until they find a way to fix with the /stuck abused (which they could have removed the option within the pts to see how the new feature would have preform without the /stuck option, but of course that would have been too much effort)


look i get that they dont want another bolster failing backlash (which if you actually think about it, isnt the same case here. the naked bolster was test by alot of people which gave bioware tons of feedback by they either ignored, or fail to fix it. the stun breaker reset was tested by a few ranked pvp teams, who opinion was either ignored or considered not as valid as the hypothetical scenarios of those who didnt even test the death stun breaker resetter), however, DOING NOTHING imo is just as bad as the hypothetical potential abused bioware want to prevent.
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06.06.2013 , 08:50 AM | #49 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
They do what they think should be done, disregarding the "vocal minority".
Result: FU BIOWARE FOR NOT CARING ABOUT YOUR SUBSCRIBERS.

They listen and change stuff based on people's feedback.
Result: FU BIOWARE FOR LISTENING TO A VOCAL MINORITY

You can never win with this crowd...
I have to admit, sometimes it does feel that way. But in this case there were some great points made by our veteran PvP crowd and we decided to hold the change back to a later version in order to address those points. In the end PTS is exactly for getting this type of feedback. As for the tone of the responses, I think it's ultimately our fault for not communicating enough. We have made big strides here but there is still plenty of room for improvement. We'll keep pushing ourselves to do better, with the goal of making the forums a better place for all.
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astrobearx
06.06.2013 , 09:03 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
They do what they think should be done, disregarding the "vocal minority".
Result: FU BIOWARE FOR NOT CARING ABOUT YOUR SUBSCRIBERS.

They listen and change stuff based on people's feedback.
Result: FU BIOWARE FOR LISTENING TO A VOCAL MINORITY

You can never win with this crowd...

no...bioware can win, by listening to people with actual experience of what they are talking about, not players who only have potential hypothetical scenarios...

if it was the reverse (all the people who didnt play did play and those who did didnt) then i woould have no problem conceding the fact that bioware listen to the right group, as they listen to those with experience of a issue.

for example, let say you need to have a tumor and you need brain surgery. there is two doctor to choose from


1. is a well know renown, experience brain surgeon that tell you that removing the tumor is doable

2. the second is a med student of of school and into his or her first year of his or her residency, that can only hypothetically know how to handle the tumor and says to you that it isnt operable.


who are you going to listen to? the guys who done brain surgery or the med student?

now it is possible that the new med student is saw something that the experience neurosurgeon missed, but it is most likely that med student is mistaken.
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Moonshadow View Post
Because Bioware won't let my have the Jewel of the Dark Side, which would amplify my powers and allow me to take control of the galaxy in my bid for a tyrannical dictatorship.
Poo-doo.