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aeterno
06.05.2013 , 04:37 PM | #71
I'm not thrilled that cross-server isn't even 100% lined up to eventually get to but I can sorta get it.

People may moan but the pvp comunites even on pve servers are quite healthy in terms of getting a good pop frequency for warzones. The whole "pvp is gonna die out on all but 2 servers come transfers" thing is grossly exaggerated imo, the pvp servers would have to be HAL and SAL 9000 to handle everyone lol.

I can see how it wouldn't be a priority but I'm worried of a repeat of the LFG tool scenario. You need to pre-plan and pre-implement this stuff.

When you get to the stage where cress server queuing is gonna be important to have in terms of queue times it's gonna be waaaaaay too late to start dedicating resources to its implementation, especially if it's really problematic as you indicate. Things will snowball out of control fast and people arent going to wait.

Cross server Qs need to come in while populations are still good to help maintain them, not as a hail mary pass at quarter to midnight to reverse a negative trend.

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xorcist
06.05.2013 , 04:50 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post
Nice list Kilora!

While the exact details of which features will make Game Update 2.4 are still being hardened I can definitely say that Cross-Server Queueing is not in the plan for it. We've taken a hard look at Cross Server Queuing in the past and accomplishing it is a *significant* challenge that would take a lot of time away from other things we are working on. Emphasis on significant. It's not forever off the table but it's not in the plan right now.

Even though it is too early to share specifics I can say that Game Update 2.4 as it is being worked on right now has features and changes that should cause a significant improvement of queue times for ranked Warzones in particular. Emphasis on significant!

Are these more clues to just how limited and unfriendly to change the current game engine is?

Many resources may have been put into it. However, I think spending the money for a strong foundation to your home is more important. For many reasons.
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limenutpen
06.05.2013 , 04:56 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
I'm not thrilled that cross-server isn't even 100% lined up to eventually get to but I can sorta get it.

People may moan but the pvp comunites even on pve servers are quite healthy in terms of getting a good pop frequency for warzones. The whole "pvp is gonna die out on all but 2 servers come transfers" thing is grossly exaggerated imo, the pvp servers would have to be HAL and SAL 9000 to handle everyone lol.

I can see how it wouldn't be a priority but I'm worried of a repeat of the LFG tool scenario. You need to pre-plan and pre-implement this stuff.

When you get to the stage where cress server queuing is gonna be important to have in terms of queue times it's gonna be waaaaaay too late to start dedicating resources to its implementation, especially if it's really problematic as you indicate. Things will snowball out of control fast and people arent going to wait.

Cross server Qs need to come in while populations are still good to help maintain them, not as a hail mary pass at quarter to midnight to reverse a negative trend.
Yes thats the other side of the coin which I am seeing here, and could not explain it myself. This happened in the past, when 1,2 did not have RWZ (cancelled on last day), when LFG tool was not implemented and people demanded it as subs and some servers started to dry out, with server transfers a year ago (3 months late), and now its happening again.
It is happening because they are just seeing a small bit of the picture i.e. lets make these PvPers transfer to wer they want (20$ a character btw), then when they did this we give X-server may be at the end of this year or so, so that people would still be happy.
All I see is milking of subs, which if you see it in context does actually the opposite....

BW have a chicken with golden eggs thanks to the SW IP.... 18 months later they are still not giving the right food to the chicken to make the golden eggs though.....

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TridusSWTOR
06.05.2013 , 05:07 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Adentate View Post
It is amazing some of the **** people say when they don't have intelligence on a subject.

PVP thrives on the PVP system and if it is good, we will keep playing. We don't need content or a chance to get the color we want for our gear. Most of the PVE gamers I play with leave and return when content gets released.
I'm glad you proved his point on the maturity level of PVPers are.

You can even look at the PVP forum itself, if you try to actually start a conversation then it's either insults or a few punchline to look cool in front of their friends.

Good job taking the high road though!

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Mookind
06.05.2013 , 05:13 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
I'm not thrilled that cross-server isn't even 100% lined up to eventually get to but I can sorta get it.

People may moan but the pvp comunites even on pve servers are quite healthy in terms of getting a good pop frequency for warzones. The whole "pvp is gonna die out on all but 2 servers come transfers" thing is grossly exaggerated imo, the pvp servers would have to be HAL and SAL 9000 to handle everyone lol.

I can see how it wouldn't be a priority but I'm worried of a repeat of the LFG tool scenario. You need to pre-plan and pre-implement this stuff.

When you get to the stage where cress server queuing is gonna be important to have in terms of queue times it's gonna be waaaaaay too late to start dedicating resources to its implementation, especially if it's really problematic as you indicate. Things will snowball out of control fast and people arent going to wait.

Cross server Qs need to come in while populations are still good to help maintain them, not as a hail mary pass at quarter to midnight to reverse a negative trend.
Competitive PVP will be dead on all servers but two after transfers come. I wouldn't have to transfer if we had cross server ques

Edit - I come from the Harbinger and all the competitive teams will be moving on

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SteelsBrighter
06.05.2013 , 05:30 PM | #76
I like that this topic doesn't have a bioware response icon, so that the pvper's will hopefully not notice it and all immediately unsub.
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Raansu
06.05.2013 , 06:05 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Mookind View Post
Competitive PVP will be dead on all servers but two after transfers come. I wouldn't have to transfer if we had cross server ques

Edit - I come from the Harbinger and all the competitive teams will be moving on
It's split on my server. Some are saying they are going to bastion, some going to pot5. Either way, come transfers my server will be dead pvp wise. I don't even see the point really. There are only 8 NA servers...I get some people have stranded toons from when servers got merged, but that should be on bioware to fix. But I guess why do that when they can make $20 a toon I guess....bleh.

Quote: Originally Posted by SteelsBrighter View Post
I like that this topic doesn't have a bioware response icon, so that the pvper's will hopefully not notice it and all immediately unsub.
Wow I didn't even notice...Good job BW.

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Aewu
06.05.2013 , 06:06 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by HighCounsil View Post
I'm not sure what other MMORPG these days doesn't have cross-server queues, only swtor is still sticking to the stone age losing players because of the insanely long server queues. I don't understand this approach at all, would love an elaboration on why setting up a few additional continental servers for cross-queues is such a hard task, are your technician droids so outdated that they cannot handle the task? I can smuggle some new ones your sector if it makes xqueues happen. Got my fastest ship in the sector after all.

P.S. few moments later I realized, server transfers. Well of course, it's better to make players pay you for transfers, than put up a service that actually requires YOU to shell out cash
Exactly, almost perfect criticism. Anyway, I expect the wait time for xserver que to take a 1-2 years.

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DarthSabreth
06.05.2013 , 06:06 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post
Nice list Kilora!

While the exact details of which features will make Game Update 2.4 are still being hardened I can definitely say that Cross-Server Queueing is not in the plan for it. We've taken a hard look at Cross Server Queuing in the past and accomplishing it is a *significant* challenge that would take a lot of time away from other things we are working on. Emphasis on significant. It's not forever off the table but it's not in the plan right now.

Even though it is too early to share specifics I can say that Game Update 2.4 as it is being worked on right now has features and changes that should cause a significant improvement of queue times for ranked Warzones in particular. Emphasis on significant!

What i dont understand is virtually every mmo including new ones coming out / that came out had cross server pvp ques at release. I do not claim to be a programer at all but if they can do it why cant a pro gaming company like BW do it? Cross server pvp ques would go along way in keeping subs. to be honest i hate waiting forever in que watching my valor consumable tick away in que. please reconsider cross server pvp ques,
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Neglience
06.05.2013 , 06:12 PM | #80
promises promises promises thats all bw is good for. after 2.1 hit live the *****torm about a CC only update was talked down with the promise of 2.2 beeing a MASSIV content update which turns out to be more a less a joke update.

i wouldnt get my hopes up 2.4 will bring anything good to the pvp game, bioware words are worthless imho (proven many times).
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