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Kilora
06.05.2013 , 02:10 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by YanksfanJP View Post
Bruce, the time has come where you need to tell us a couple of the things that ARE going to be in the patch. We need something to look forward to, because right now, there is nothing. You can't just say "OMG NEW PATCH AWESOME STUFF YOULL LOVE IT" and then not say what any of it is.

Well, you can... and you did... and I among others unsubbed (I uninstalled, too) because that's a hint to me that you guys don't even know.

Give us something concrete and you'll win me back. Otherwise, I will find something else to occupy my free time and spare change.
Or, you could just wait 3-4 months. Because, if you actually unsubbed and uninstalled, you won't be playing until the patch hits anyway. Patience. It's a virtue.

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uziforyou
06.05.2013 , 02:19 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
Without soundig to negative do you guys even understand how players think ?
When players cant play and que times are long they leave the game.
When it is only casuals left because you killed off the competetive PvP community you have NO PvP community.


Saying this because i care and want to play SWTOR PvP on a server with really good PvP.
Lol, 'without sounding negative..........' yeah, too late.

While you're accusing EA/Bioware of not understanding, what YOU seem to think is that the SWTOR world revolves around you. News flash, it doesn't. Those 'casuals' you're talking about, they way out number you and pay the bills at EA. So guess who the game does and always will revolve around? And that's whether you like it or not, whether you understand it or not.
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Raansu
06.05.2013 , 02:20 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post


We've taken a hard look at Cross Server Queuing in the past and accomplishing it is a *significant* challenge that would take a lot of time away from other things we are working on. Emphasis on significant. It's not forever off the table but it's not in the plan right now.
Ya it's such a *significant* challenge that practically every other mmo out there has it, even the mediocre ones, yet a AAA title such as swtor (can we even consider it a AAA anymore?) can't even manage it? Maybe you guys should higher engineers with actual experience instead of having interns still in college running your servers? It's quite sad that this game is going on two years old and still lacks a feature that is pretty much becoming a standard in the MMO world. And with server transfers (stupid idea to implement this imo as there is only 8 NA servers now) everyone is going to move to bastion/pot5 and its going to kill pvp on all the other servers.

Honestly I'm about done with this game. I love star wars, and that's about the only thing that kept me around...and this game BARELY feels like star wars. If it wasn't for the lightsabers I'd probably think it was some cheap knockoff game. I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy how combat works...when the games engine cooperates and doesn't hitch with double GCD's or double animations or when the servers desync and I end up 10m away after I leap, or I get rubberbanded back to a root after I force speed or...ya you get the idea.

It was a fun 2 years, but really, I'm just waiting for FFXIV:ARR (please be good PLEASE!) and if thats a flop...well I'm screwed I guess lol, but I sure as hell wont be coming back to this game unless the content updates take a huge step in the right direction. Too bad they wont and everything will continue to revolve around the CM while subs get shafted every update (lol @ charging subs to unlock stuff from the collection tab).

Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post

Even though it is too early to share specifics I can say that Game Update 2.4 as it is being worked on right now has features and changes that should cause a significant improvement of queue times for ranked Warzones in particular. Emphasis on significant!
It's a stab in the dark here, but maybe, just maybe, you guys should put a bit more effort into sharing information with your player base. I mean would it really kill you guys to show a timeline? No one expects it to be perfect but some info is better than the answers you always give (meaning you give us no answers).

You guys should go look at FF14 lodestone page and see what they do for some tips. Not only did the lead developer release a monthly letter telling people whats going on in development, they also released timelines with a massive list of planned/current/notes for patch updates MONTHS in advance(I'd link for an example but you guys would probably remove it but these timelines were like 3 pages long), and official polls asking players what they would like in the future and releasing graphs of player responses and actually implementing stuff from those polls.

They released videos of new content all while fixing a broken game they had taken over from the dev team that was fired while also REBUILDING the entire game from the ground up. Yes they were patching a game while also redevloping that game in the background all while the game was not charging subscriptions for over a year.

You guys could learn a lot from that dev team in terms of interaction with the community and REAL info on future development plans. It would be nice to know what kind of content we are getting instead of the carrot and stick of "wait and see." I'm tired of that and I really don't feel like putting up with it anymore.

/rant that ended up being way to long but I felt like ranting.

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06.05.2013 , 02:25 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Or, you could just wait 3-4 months. Because, if you actually unsubbed and uninstalled, you won't be playing until the patch hits anyway. Patience. It's a virtue.
Some of your posts are as bad as Andryah's honestly...the guy wants something to look forward to with the upcoming pvp updates. You don't have any issues because they gave a rough outline of what's to come on the PVE side whether it's well received or not atleast the PVErs have a decent idea of what to expect. PvPers on the other hand only have the promise it will be great with zero substance other than something consider a key component won't be included.

Yeah I'm not loyal or anything I've only played since beta and been a sub since early access, that's not being loyal and patient with a game I guess.
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Kilora
06.05.2013 , 02:25 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
Ya it's such a *significant* challenge that practically every other mmo out there has it, even the mediocre ones, yet a AAA title such as swtor (can we even consider it a AAA anymore?) can't even manage it? Maybe you guys should higher engineers with actual experience instead of having interns still in college running your servers? It's quite sad that this game is going on two years old and still lacks a feature that is pretty much becoming a standard in the MMO world.
Please, try not to talk about things as if you have knowledge of them, when you don't.

EVERY other MMO does NOT have cross-server. NO other MMO is using the same engine. NO other MMO is written in the same way. NO other MMO was developed from the ground-up the same way. NO other MMO, that I'm aware of, has both Cross-server AND this small of a dev team.

It's great that you think these things are easy. I'd love to see you get a job with BW and implement them.

If not, consider keeping moronic comments like that to yourself. I'd love to see you tell a Doctor that open-heart surgery is "easy" and every other cardiologist does it, so why can't he.

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Kilora
06.05.2013 , 02:27 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by shednik View Post
Some of your posts are as bad as Andryah's honestly...the guy wants something to look forward to with the upcoming pvp updates. You don't have any issues because they gave a rough outline of what's to come on the PVE side whether it's well received or not atleast the PVErs have a decent idea of what to expect. PvPers on the other hand only have the promise it will be great with zero substance other than something consider a key component won't be included.

Yeah I'm not loyal or anything I've only played since beta and been a sub since early access, that's not being loyal and patient with a game I guess.

They've already said you won't get the information. You WERE at least told that something was coming.

IF someone already uninstalled and unsubbed -- they have NO right to come in and complain. The PvPers who are sticking it out and still subbing? Sure -- I think they should get info. But, that doesn't mean they will.

Honeslty, you should worry less about other peoples opinions, and more about your own happiness. If you don't like the game, leave. Like any actual mature adult would.

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funkiestj
06.05.2013 , 02:36 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
Unless you plan to open up a ranked server were people from all servers can copy over chars for free
were they can play ranked this is nothing but a disaster for the game !!!
Agreed. While BW insists on remaining mum on this, I expect it will be their solution.

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how will que times be lower i dont get it, magic ? why should people stay and play ranked when so many have left
and even more people will leave because there is no pvp updates until close to christmas and there will
be no cross play.Reality check plis.
A huge reason many people don't queue rated is because the 8-man they can put together is weak and they don't see the point is having their 950 rated team curb stomped by a 2000+ team. If BW gave the queuing team the option to say
  • don't match me against a team that is +/- 500 (or some rating number of your chosing) because I'd rather not play a boring pointless WZ

I think you would see a lot more teams queuing up for rated. I know I'd rather roll in an 8-man with a terrible composition but all 8 players are in voice chat than play regs because it is simply more fun to have everyone in chat.

Currently my guild's A-team composition gets rolled by the better rated guilds but we can have a good match against the other meh teams and we beat some of them regularly. There is no way we are queuing with an awful composition, especially when we know the better teams are queuing. Also, the better teams will often queue up to farm when they hear a weak team is running. This farming increases the number of horribly lopsided matches.

There are lots of ways to balance things. You could have an option to play XvY (where X < Y) when the ratings are too disparate. I don't think you can use an XvY result as input to the rating system but it would be fun if it is actually a competitive match and you could still give out rewards.

Too many horribly lopsided matches kill the community. If BW gives us options to avoid most (ideally all) horribly lopsided matches then the PvP WZ community will flourish.

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shednik
06.05.2013 , 02:39 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
They've already said you won't get the information. You WERE at least told that something was coming.

IF someone already uninstalled and unsubbed -- they have NO right to come in and complain. The PvPers who are sticking it out and still subbing? Sure -- I think they should get info. But, that doesn't mean they will.

Honeslty, you should worry less about other peoples opinions, and more about your own happiness. If you don't like the game, leave. Like any actual mature adult would.
I think you're missing my point and not looking at their past track record with promises. You agree we should get info but that we more then likely won't, well if the community doesn't show that they need more info to continue playing the game then we never will. If the community wants something more communication wise then they have to come together and tell BW that in a positive and constructive way.

Do you reply in the same manner to PVErs who are unhappy with the level of detail they got for the upcoming patches? As for your opinion you're right it's yours and I have my own, we're both welcome to it...posting it on a forum however someone may comment on it. That doesn't mean I'm worried about it or upset, just pointing some things out is all. I've already decided I will wait for this PvP update before I make my decision on what to do but I still would like to have a better idea of what I'm waiting for.
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06.05.2013 , 02:46 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
Without soundig to negative do you guys even understand how players think ?
When players cant play and que times are long they leave the game.
When it is only casuals left because you killed off the competetive PvP community you have NO PvP community.


Saying this because i care and want to play SWTOR PvP on a server with really good PvP.
Shut your pie hole kid. Damn near every single one of these folks plays the game just the same as "players" do. They are us.
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shednik
06.05.2013 , 02:47 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Please, try not to talk about things as if you have knowledge of them, when you don't.

EVERY other MMO does NOT have cross-server. NO other MMO is using the same engine. NO other MMO is written in the same way. NO other MMO was developed from the ground-up the same way. NO other MMO, that I'm aware of, has both Cross-server AND this small of a dev team.

It's great that you think these things are easy. I'd love to see you get a job with BW and implement them.

If not, consider keeping moronic comments like that to yourself. I'd love to see you tell a Doctor that open-heart surgery is "easy" and every other cardiologist does it, so why can't he.
So here I'll actually agree with you to a point, this wouldn't be as simple as it has been stated but something that would be doable with the proper infrastructure built out for it. Without understanding the application structure all of this is just speculation though, so I'll agree it's more so the development resources available that is the real constraint here.
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