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We need a better F2P model


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TUXs
06.04.2013 , 08:12 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by hages View Post
If you want all this and more PAY
like the rest of us here...
He is paying. F2P can't post. You argue that F2P gets enough, yet you don't know this basic difference? lol

And the OP is right...the restrictions Bioware has are simply penalties to the F2P player, they do nothing to incentivize subscriptions. Players who aren't already paying, have no incentive to pay more as they can only go so far in the game and don't even get a taste of the bigger stuff.

My suggestions:
- remove the WZ limits for F2P above level 30 (or increase limit to 5 per day)
- Increase WZ coms/credits for subs by 25%, decrease F2P coms/credits/valor by 50%
- remove weekly Ops limit for Subs (or allow 2 at the very least)
- allow F2P any (Story mode) Classic Ops once per week (as subs are currently limited)
- sell a credit unlock/increase

I doubt how much of a F2P community there really is in this game though.
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hages
06.04.2013 , 08:16 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
He is paying. F2P can't post. You argue that F2P gets enough, yet you don't know this basic difference? lol

And the OP is right...the restrictions Bioware has are simply penalties to the F2P player, they do nothing to incentivize subscriptions. Players who aren't already paying, have no incentive to pay more as they can only go so far in the game and don't even get a taste of the bigger stuff.

My suggestions:
- remove the WZ limits for F2P above level 30 (or increase limit to 5 per day)
- Increase WZ coms/credits for subs by 25%, decrease F2P coms/credits/valor by 50%
- remove weekly Ops limit for Subs (or allow 2 at the very least)
- allow F2P any (Story mode) Classic Ops once per week (as subs are currently limited)
- sell a credit unlock/increase

I doubt how much of a F2P community there really is in this game though.
He is wrong and you are wrong...
the player plays for free. He has no right to complain.If he wants the whole thing. sub.
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astrobearx
06.04.2013 , 08:19 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by hages View Post
He is wrong and you are wrong...
the player plays for free. He has no right to complain.If he wants the whole thing. sub.
youre a idiot,he is a sub. YOU CANT POST IF YOU ARENT A SUB

go make a f2p account right now and try to post moron

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hages
06.04.2013 , 08:23 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx View Post
youre a idiot,he is a sub. YOU CANT POST IF YOU ARENT A SUB

go make a f2p account right now and try to post moron
You are the idiot.i was not talking about the OP
I was talking about F2P players. learn to read before you call me names.
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TUXs
06.04.2013 , 08:26 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by hages View Post
He is wrong and you are wrong...
the player plays for free. He has no right to complain.If he wants the whole thing. sub.
You're trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong? Pfft lol - how simpleminded. 2 million people have PAID for this game and QUIT! The need to incentivize subscriptions is very real. F2P players need to see something, while they are playing for FREE, that makes them WANT to subscribe, where 2 million other people who WERE interested enough in the game to financially invest in it QUIT.
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TheBBP
06.04.2013 , 08:28 AM | #26
When you can buy unlocks for most of the restrictions with in-game credits, there is no need to change the F2P model.
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AidanLightwalker
06.04.2013 , 08:55 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
He is paying. F2P can't post. You argue that F2P gets enough, yet you don't know this basic difference? lol

And the OP is right...the restrictions Bioware has are simply penalties to the F2P player, they do nothing to incentivize subscriptions. Players who aren't already paying, have no incentive to pay more as they can only go so far in the game and don't even get a taste of the bigger stuff.

My suggestions:
- remove the WZ limits for F2P above level 30 (or increase limit to 5 per day)
- Increase WZ coms/credits for subs by 25%, decrease F2P coms/credits/valor by 50%
- remove weekly Ops limit for Subs (or allow 2 at the very least)
- allow F2P any (Story mode) Classic Ops once per week (as subs are currently limited)
- sell a credit unlock/increase

I doubt how much of a F2P community there really is in this game though.
Say what you will but most Subscribers who say stuff like this is because they want the exact same experience they get as a subscriber for free. If they can get that, then they can drop their sub and play for free. Forget that. And further more, if they gave everything for free and just boosted the amount of credits and comms subscribers get, you would have more people bumping up against caps and blowing through content faster making it even harder for the dev team to keep up with peoples demands. You know it would happen. I'm sorry but the last time I checked, SWTOR was the second biggest mmo on the market currently. If all these other games have such a better model, why aren't their numbers better than swtors? If Rift was doing so good right now, why would they have to even adopt a f2p model to compete with swtor? They would already be a head of it right?
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Aries_cz
06.04.2013 , 08:56 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by chuuuuucky View Post
It is not so much about the limitations but more about the fact that there are limitations at all. As i said the other way would be to give f2p players all access to all content as it is right now but give subscribers alot of quality of live options and other stuff in addition so subscribers feel even more appriciated and f2p players have a desire to become subscribers. That is a win - win situation for both factions.
The way it is now f2p players are unhappy with the limitations and subscribers feel like they have not enough additional features to justify their subscription. (I don't think that is true but it's not only the truth that counts but also how people think about it.)
I am not unhappy with the current business model but as stated before i see that BW could have done better when they decided which way they go with their f2p model.
Actually, F2Ps do have access to all content, sans expansion. Content is not how many crafting skills you have, or how many quickbars or when you get your mount. Those are all QoL features. The only thing we are missing is subscriber-only benefits (aside from cartel coins grant)
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chuuuuucky
06.04.2013 , 09:02 AM | #29
They have to buy weekly pass for OPs. They have limited access to fps, wzs and loot while leveling. They have to buy a unlock in order to wear epic armor, enter section x and i am not shure if this is correct black hole.
You are right no content is missing.

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MarvelZombie
06.04.2013 , 09:10 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Jacen_Starsolo View Post
There was a thread on STO's site recently that one of their players said TOR's F2P model sucked and STO was the -- and I quote -- "gold standard of F2P models". That was an LOL moment.
My personal experience is that STO's model is one of the best out there. After subscribing years ago, I went back and played a bit a few months ago as a F2P player. I swear I didn't notice any difference than when I was subbing. Sure, there are subscriber benefits, but the key is that I didn't notice. Believe me - when I tried SWTOR as a preferred player, I absolutely noticed several restrictions (action bars, character slots, inventory, xp gain) and was convinced it was not for me - so I resubbed.

Which of course is exactly what EA/BW wants.