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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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sturgess
06.02.2013 , 02:37 AM | #451
Quote: Originally Posted by jedip_enguin View Post
I rolled a Paladin but I want to be a Warrior now, wah wah let me pay money to convert so I don't have to level again.

Worst idea ever, last thing an MMO needs is class conversion, enough people already suck at playing the AC they have, never mind letting them change to another without having to level with it to learn the ropes.
Naw, it's more like switching from Holy Priest to Shadow Priest.
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MajikMyst
06.02.2013 , 03:47 AM | #452
Quote: Originally Posted by sturgess View Post
Naw, it's more like switching from Holy Priest to Shadow Priest.
Ummm... No.. AC swapping is a class change, not a spec change.. There is a big difference between a sage and a shadow..

Not so with a shadow and a holy priest.. Those are just different specs..
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MajikMyst
06.02.2013 , 03:53 AM | #453
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Come on. Roll a THIRD smuggler? You don't think that might be just a bit ridiculous?
Actually no.. It isn't ridiculous.. What is ridiculous is you are still here ranting about the same things despite being proven wrong repeatedly by myself and others..

There is no need for three smugglers.. You can change your spec anytime you want.. So all you need is one gunslinger and one scoundrel.. That is just two..

I have both a shadow and a sage.. 2 separate characters.. Nothing wrong with that in the least..

People just need to learn to play the game within the rules of the game.. Nobody is so entitled that they can just demand a change because it suits them.. No gaming publisher should be asked to bend the rules of their game to appease a few selfish and lazy people..
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wombatjake
06.02.2013 , 05:42 AM | #454
How is it a bad idea to be able to switch advanced classes? Those who are so upset by this notion are ridiculous. "but you made a choice so you should have to roll an alt.". That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard. I should have to sit through the same story again? Are you kidding me? Every MMO of this style allows you to play a different spec. and advanced classes are no more than a new spec. group. It's not an actual class change. The guy who compared it to a paladin changing to a warrior is beyond ridiculous. I am shocked that so many people are whining that this could happen. If you don't like it if/when it's implemented, DONT USE IT! How is it your business what others do? It's not going to affect you in any way. If I want to go from shadow to sage, so what? Or commando to vanguard. All I see are whiny elitists trying to turn SWTOR in to some hardcore MMO.

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Ratajack
06.02.2013 , 06:28 AM | #455
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Come on. Roll a THIRD smuggler? You don't think that might be just a bit ridiculous?

First, I don't want AC change. If it comes, great (I think it is the smart move for the game), if it doesn't that is fine for me as well. The character is staying at level 15 and I won't roll another. Two is enough.

The point was presented as a reason to allow it. If you think that it's unreasonable to allow an almost brand new character to change AC...well...that just shows there are folks that are dead set against this idea no matter how much sense it might make...

And there is nothing wrong with that. But in the end I strongly doubt there is ANY reasonable reason someone could give as to why a new character shouldn't be able to change their AC. All of the other arguments go out the window with a character this low.
I'm a little confused here. You say you won't roll a THIRD smuggler as that would be ridiculous. Yet in your previous post you said:

Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Here is an example where a change could be useful. I didn't realize it until I decided to do a bit of crafting.

I have a crafting bot...my smuggler. He's a scoundrel, was pushing him up the scrapper line because I already had too many healers.

Well, I discovered scrapper was not fun to play at all. Not a good healer, not a good dps, only really effective at close range and even then not as good as other melee classes on average. Overall a pretty underwhelming class to play in PVE.

So, at level 15 I quit playing him...and there he has sat ever since. I don't even have his ship. I just didn't bother to continue to level him since I couldn't change the AC but didn't want to sink the substantial cash into gearing a reroll.

It means I haven't played the smuggler storyline past that level. It means it's unlikely he will ever see 16. I use him to make mods and earpieces, and run around to harvest mats on Coruscant every once in a while.


Here is where an AC reset would be useful....first, he's just at 15. I've just barely started playing the class. Second, it
s unlikely I would level him, or any other smuggler for that matter because I'm theoretically stuck in stubborn limbo. If I could pull him out of this weak AC (as I see it) and put him into a better PVE spec I would level him to the top.

So there you go. One way it could be helpful, and I doubt it would hurt other folks in the game if I did that.
You quit playing your scoundrel at level 15 and have not played the smuggler storyline past that level? Does that mean you have 2 smugglers at level 15 or below? Does that mean you are being less than truthful about not having played the smuggler storyline past level 15?

If you have 2 smugglers already, then I'm guessing you have 1 scoundrel and 1 gunslinger. If you have a gunslinger already, then level that one and use your scoundrel for crafting, as someone else suggested. If you have 2 smugglers now, and both are scoundrels, then I have no sympathy for you since you knew from the one that you did not the scoundrel.

If you have two scoundrels at or below level 15, and have not played the smuggler storyline past that level, then why would rolling a third be a problem? It takes very little time to reach level 15 and it would give you a chance to see the smuggler storyline in its entirety.

One last thing. Remember those reasons I said were the most common for wanting a class change? The ones that included "I want to be the OP class"? Your exact words were: "If I could pull him out of this weak AC (as I see it) and put him into a better PVE spec I would level him to the top." That sounds like you want to be the OP class.

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Ratajack
06.02.2013 , 06:35 AM | #456
Quote: Originally Posted by wombatjake View Post
How is it a bad idea to be able to switch advanced classes? Those who are so upset by this notion are ridiculous. "but you made a choice so you should have to roll an alt.". That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard. I should have to sit through the same story again? Are you kidding me? Every MMO of this style allows you to play a different spec. and advanced classes are no more than a new spec. group. It's not an actual class change. The guy who compared it to a paladin changing to a warrior is beyond ridiculous. I am shocked that so many people are whining that this could happen. If you don't like it if/when it's implemented, DONT USE IT! How is it your business what others do? It's not going to affect you in any way. If I want to go from shadow to sage, so what? Or commando to vanguard. All I see are whiny elitists trying to turn SWTOR in to some hardcore MMO.
How is allowing class changes good?

The devs have stated that AC's are different classes. While their last statements regarding AC changes makes it sound like we might possibly see AC changes, they have never wavered from the stance that AC's are DIFFERENT classes, as far as I know.

You may not think allowing class changes affects anyone else. If you've read this thread, then you should have seen the many posts explaining how class changes affect other players.

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LordArtemis
06.02.2013 , 09:26 AM | #457
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Actually no.. It isn't ridiculous.. What is ridiculous is you are still here ranting about the same things despite being proven wrong repeatedly by myself and others..
Proven wrong? You have to be kidding.

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LordArtemis
06.02.2013 , 09:31 AM | #458
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I'm a little confused here. You say you won't roll a THIRD smuggler as that would be ridiculous. Yet in your previous post you said:

You quit playing your scoundrel at level 15 and have not played the smuggler storyline past that level? Does that mean you have 2 smugglers at level 15 or below? Does that mean you are being less than truthful about not having played the smuggler storyline past level 15?

If you have 2 smugglers already, then I'm guessing you have 1 scoundrel and 1 gunslinger. If you have a gunslinger already, then level that one and use your scoundrel for crafting, as someone else suggested. If you have 2 smugglers now, and both are scoundrels, then I have no sympathy for you since you knew from the one that you did not the scoundrel.

If you have two scoundrels at or below level 15, and have not played the smuggler storyline past that level, then why would rolling a third be a problem? It takes very little time to reach level 15 and it would give you a chance to see the smuggler storyline in its entirety.

One last thing. Remember those reasons I said were the most common for wanting a class change? The ones that included "I want to be the OP class"? Your exact words were: "If I could pull him out of this weak AC (as I see it) and put him into a better PVE spec I would level him to the top." That sounds like you want to be the OP class.
I have one smuggler. I deleted the one prior to this one, at level 12 if I remember right. The AC choice was the same unfortunately, so I have now had two toons in the same AC. I shouldn't have deleted the first one so I could remember which one I had done before.

It may sound that way to you, but what it actually is is that one AC is weak and designed that way, the other is not. One AC is designed specifically to perform in PVP, one in PVE.

I don't think that qualifies as wanting an OP class...I want a class that is suited to my play style.

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branmakmuffin
06.02.2013 , 07:28 PM | #459
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
How is allowing class changes good?
Two words: Cartel Coins.

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You may not think allowing class changes affects anyone else. If you've read this thread, then you should have seen the many posts explaining how class changes affect other players.
No, we know how some people claim allowing AC changes will affect others.

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Ratajack
06.02.2013 , 08:13 PM | #460
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Two words: Cartel Coins.


No, we know how some people claim allowing AC changes will affect others.
No, we have seen many people explaining exactly how allowing class changes will affect other players and we have seen those explanations ignored and dismissed by the "I want it and it won't affect you so I should be able to have it" crowd because those explanations do not mesh with the desires of said crowd.