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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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LordArtemis
06.01.2013 , 09:45 PM | #441
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
.....but saying it won't happen anytime soon is just a positive way of saying "no will will never happen."
Just to be clear they didn't say it wouldn't happen any time soon. I think your confusing the statement about Faction change (....so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon) with AC change.

What they said, or he said I should say is that they were seriously talking about it recently and that it is likely to happen eventually.

First, the question...

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18. Will be there any faction or Advanced Class change option available for purchase in the future?
Then the answer, in stages....first he speaks to Advanced Class change directly....

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We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually.
The very next sentence he speaks to Species change...

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Species is likely as well.
Then the very next sentence he talks about FACTION SWITCH...

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Doing a FACTION SWITCH is considerably more difficult for us, though, due to the various quest flags set throughout the level up process, so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon.


Other than bringing emphasis to the words faction switch the entire section is posted here VERBATUM. It is undeniable....he is saying no to FACTION CHANGE.

swtor f2p/future content interview with Damion Schubert on Duffy.net

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Spatology
06.01.2013 , 10:07 PM | #442
The only compelling reason bioware should give lazy people what they want is because they can make money selling it on the CM. Thanks all you tree sloths.

People willing to pay RL money for things in game, and EA/Bioware pushing the limit on what is "acceptable" to sell on the CM is the reason this, or any other change wont matter much longer.

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Khevar
06.02.2013 , 12:37 AM | #443
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
The only compelling reason bioware should give lazy people what they want is because they can make money selling it on the CM. Thanks all you tree sloths.

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Why must you (and a handful of others) persist in being nasty, arrogant and derogatory in your arguments.

There are plenty of good reasons to disallow AC swapping, but you make our side sound like a bunch of whiny children. Knock it off - you're not helping make the point.

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LordArtemis
06.02.2013 , 01:14 AM | #444
Here is an example where a change could be useful. I didn't realize it until I decided to do a bit of crafting.

I have a crafting bot...my smuggler. He's a scoundrel, was pushing him up the scrapper line because I already had too many healers.

Well, I discovered scrapper was not fun to play at all. Not a good healer, not a good dps, only really effective at close range and even then not as good as other melee classes on average. Overall a pretty underwhelming class to play in PVE.

So, at level 15 I quit playing him...and there he has sat ever since. I don't even have his ship. I just didn't bother to continue to level him since I couldn't change the AC but didn't want to sink the substantial cash into gearing a reroll.

It means I haven't played the smuggler storyline past that level. It means it's unlikely he will ever see 16. I use him to make mods and earpieces, and run around to harvest mats on Coruscant every once in a while.


Here is where an AC reset would be useful....first, he's just at 15. I've just barely started playing the class. Second, it
s unlikely I would level him, or any other smuggler for that matter because I'm theoretically stuck in stubborn limbo. If I could pull him out of this weak AC (as I see it) and put him into a better PVE spec I would level him to the top.

So there you go. One way it could be helpful, and I doubt it would hurt other folks in the game if I did that.

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DragonClaVV
06.02.2013 , 01:27 AM | #445
Ok you want a Class change for a LEVEL 15?! Seriously? Just make a new char and use your old one for crafting.

I hope when it ever comes that it costs so much Cartellpoints/money that the people have to think 500 times about it before they do it. And when they do it it must be so expensive that they can do it only for 1 char.

I dont know ANY game where a Class change is possible. It feels wrong in 100 ways. Not even WoW has a class change and they do **** to money there.

Please bioware never allow a Class change. There are so many experience boosts out there it is no problem to get a new char in 2 /played days or less to maximum. Thats ENOUGH.

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LordArtemis
06.02.2013 , 01:44 AM | #446
Quote: Originally Posted by DragonClaVV View Post
Ok you want a Class change for a LEVEL 15?! Seriously? Just make a new char and use your old one for crafting.

I hope when it ever comes that it costs so much Cartellpoints/money that the people have to think 500 times about it before they do it. And when they do it it must be so expensive that they can do it only for 1 char.

I dont know ANY game where a Class change is possible. It feels wrong in 100 ways. Not even WoW has a class change and they do **** to money there.

Please bioware never allow a Class change. There are so many experience boosts out there it is no problem to get a new char in 2 /played days or less to maximum. Thats ENOUGH.
Come on. Roll a THIRD smuggler? You don't think that might be just a bit ridiculous?

First, I don't want AC change. If it comes, great (I think it is the smart move for the game), if it doesn't that is fine for me as well. The character is staying at level 15 and I won't roll another. Two is enough.

The point was presented as a reason to allow it. If you think that it's unreasonable to allow an almost brand new character to change AC...well...that just shows there are folks that are dead set against this idea no matter how much sense it might make...

And there is nothing wrong with that. But in the end I strongly doubt there is ANY reasonable reason someone could give as to why a new character shouldn't be able to change their AC. All of the other arguments go out the window with a character this low.

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Hizoka
06.02.2013 , 01:47 AM | #447
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Just to be clear they didn't say it wouldn't happen any time soon. I think your confusing the statement about Faction change (....so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon) with AC change.

What they said, or he said I should say is that they were seriously talking about it recently and that it is likely to happen eventually.

First, the question...



Then the answer, in stages....first he speaks to Advanced Class change directly....



The very next sentence he speaks to Species change...



Then the very next sentence he talks about FACTION SWITCH...



Other than bringing emphasis to the words faction switch the entire section is posted here VERBATUM. It is undeniable....he is saying no to FACTION CHANGE.

swtor f2p/future content interview with Damion Schubert on Duffy.net
do you still not grasp that it is a political answer? He is not gonna shoot down an idea to keep lazy players dreaming of short cuts.

They said back in beta that AC changes will never happen as your advanced class is your class. They are just now being political and not saying negatives. If you notice any time they answer something that is not going to happen they say something like "It is always a possible" or some sort of non answer. It is to keep hope for the simple mind playerbase that want eveyrthing handed to them without earning anything.

It is never going to happen unless they want to kill off the game. EA is making money they will not do something that has the rick of turning off the bulk of their subscription crowd.

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Hizoka
06.02.2013 , 01:49 AM | #448
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Come on. Roll a THIRD smuggler? You don't think that might be just a bit ridiculous?

First, I don't want AC change. If it comes, great (I think it is the smart move for the game), if it doesn't that is fine for me as well. The character is staying at level 15 and I won't roll another. Two is enough.

The point was presented as a reason to allow it. If you think that it's unreasonable to allow an almost brand new character to change AC...well...that just shows there are folks that are dead set against this idea no matter how much sense it might make...

And there is nothing wrong with that. But in the end I strongly doubt there is ANY reasonable reason someone could give as to why a new character shouldn't be able to change their AC. All of the other arguments go out the window with a character this low.
while being a tester for the game i have made 18 jedi knights to 50. leveling a character in this game is no big deal. If you are too lazy to level a new character you really do not want that character anyways, which inturn means you are not going to be a long term player. That is exactly the type of player MMOs do not want.

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LordArtemis
06.02.2013 , 01:59 AM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
do you still not grasp that it is a political answer? He is not gonna shoot down an idea to keep lazy players dreaming of short cuts.
Do you not grasp that this is completely your opinion? You have no more basis in fact than anyone else, except that you ASSUME a different meaning where it clearly means what it means.

You MIGHT be right, but it's more likely he meant what he said. I'll concede it's possible, but acting like your more likely right than someone who reads it as it's written is just ridiculous. The Con side lacks the credibility here, not the Pro side.

So cut the attitude.

Now, do I think your slant is more likely? Sure. but remember that you should pose it as your opinion, what you think they meant, not as absolute fact. Otherwise you cast a lack of credibility on your post.

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They said back in beta that AC changes will never happen as your advanced class is your class. They are just now being political and not saying negatives. If you notice any time they answer something that is not going to happen they say something like "It is always a possible" or some sort of non answer. It is to keep hope for the simple mind playerbase that want eveyrthing handed to them without earning anything.
Your using a past quote from a now defunct development team to debunk a recent comment from the current team. Again, you might be right, but your being speculative.

Simple mind playerbase? Do you really feel insulting other players furthers your point or gives it even a shred of validity? Are you incapable of making your point without violating forum rules?

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It is never going to happen unless they want to kill off the game. EA is making money they will not do something that has the rick of turning off the bulk of their subscription crowd.
Well, other than this comment being just plain silly IMO, it is completely speculative AND tired by now. Really, you guys should come up with some new ones....F2P will ruin the game, Cartel Market will ruin the game....appearance changes, cross class armor, shorter QT times, CC legacy unlocks...it's getting pretty old.

The changes made recently SAVED the game, like it or not. It had all of the restrictions and narrow design elements that hardcore players loved and the game fell FLAT ON IT"S FACE. The dev team is gone.

Like it or not the game is changing. That might be something hardcore players have to learn to live with.

The argument that they meant something else, or that it was doublespeak is a SENSIBLE argument. Just lose the attitude and perhaps folks will take it seriously.

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LordArtemis
06.02.2013 , 02:03 AM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
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That was your response to my post. Why does that not surprise me?

I'm thinking your point might be directed precisely at you. I think your keyboard really needs a rest. Your violating forum rules left and right and that is not a good thing...trust me on that one.