ETA on Advanced Class change?

You could dial your slippery slope to 11 and say that the reasoning used to support AC changes could be used to support anything else that is also not "changing ACs," since "changing ACs" is no more "some hypothetical other thing" than it is "P2W."

Taking a character from level 1 to 55 is not an improvement of the character?

You could try but I doubt it would happen or be supported. Gamers are hip on what is P2W and what is not - usually.) not counting the over-zealous, hyperbole we sometimes get)

You can easily agree to one implementation on something and not another even if the rule set is similar.

You draw the line at P2W. Since that line is gray in many areas you let your design team create something and find gamer reaction but there are some things that are black and white.

EX. Ship upgrades in the cartel market. Player chosen to be P2W, eventually agreed by the developers and removed. P2W it seems.

Cartel Crystals at level 10. As damn near close to P2W as you can get and not cause an uproar and is now pretty much accepted cause it provides little difference. P2W - in enough grey area to not matter.

Though we all know buying gear is a NO NO. Buying a new level 55 toon is a NO NO for most MMOs but for SWTOR, its a little different here in the design.

BUY a AC swap on a class you already know 50% of skill wise, know all the story and questing content is an area for SWTOR to be more lenient on where other MMO's are not designed to be lenient on when it comes to classes.

Technically, isn't an AC swap an improvement of a character?

55 is not an improvement over anyone else who has a 55. My point was focusing more on -- available to everyone, not required, not better than anything you can get without purchasing it.

Why are people against that?

This logic I don't understand. I know it is how people react -- but I don't get it.

Ship upgrades were a problem for good reason. Why? You could ONLY get those components by spending RL$. There was no in-game way to earn them, and they were REQUIRED to do some of the heroic missions.

So, why is buying a new 55 a nono? Everyone else can buy that same 55, but you can also get that same 55 by playing the game. You don't have to pay, and it isn't better than what you can earn in-game. It is, in fact, exactly the same.

and you will likely never understand it. (None of us really do but we sure try)

Why do some like cake and some like pie? It's a personal choice of where individual gamers draw the line.

Apparently a great many draw the line at buying a new max level toon but it seems many are Ok with leveling an AC in SWTOR and then having the ability to change it's AC.

This MMO is designed a little different in that regard VS most other MMO's

An AC swap option would put SWTOR on the Map of gaming at being different if done the right way and thats not counting how great a business move it could be that also has minimal negative effect.

um, you really should think before you reply.... you don't wind up with 2 toons, after changing the AC on one toon, you still have one toon. Math is not needed here...

See, I wish more people would read this and accept that!

So many people try to back up their personal views in order to attack others. If that is how I appeared, I do apologize -- I'm actually trying to understand the reasoning people have, and why they treat each thing differently.

I guess, really, no one should bother trying to say why they are ok with it, or why they aren't -- because the reasoning not only doesn't matter, but isn't even realistic. Like trying to reason that cheese pizza is better than pepperoni.


I've really never been in the P2W debates, so I truly didn't understand it. My first post in this thread was rather explanatory -- showing that I wasn't sure why people had a problem, but was trying to point out what I saw most people voice concern over. In the end, I don't even really care if you can purchase a 55. So long as I am not required to pay anything aside from my subscription and the occasional DLC/Expac (that is worth the $ IMO) -- I don't think I'd care.

I play solo and with guildies/friends. So long as I can continue to do so -- and run ops and such, without paying $50 for "operations" gear -- I'm indifferent.

Hopefully that doesn't make me a bad person. >.<

How, unless you're claiming that a Juggernaut is inherently superior to a Marauder, for example.

If you want to go on that totally unrelated tangent, I couldn't care less if total P2W was available for purchase, even if it included high-powered items only available via RMT.

I think the other poster nailed down the reality behind my questioning. Its just something people will never really be able to pinpoint.

See -- I don't want high-powered items that are only available through RMT. Why? Well -- in all honesty, because I'm cheap. But I also don't think you should have an *actual* advantage over someone else, because you have more money. Time advantage? That I don't care about. I have plenty of time to play the game and earn credits/levels/gear.

EDIT: Sorry, realized I didn't respond to the first part.
Technically, isn't one class always going to be superior? While 99% of the time is it subjective, there are actual solid numbers you can guarantee as a "cap" for DPS, making one better than the other. Not that it really matters, though.

I used to feel the same way. Now, I couldn't care less what others do with their money in a computer game.

How is one AC always superior, unless you being roles into it? Sure, a Scoundrel is a better healer than a Gunslinger is, but an inherently superior character class overall? That's a matter of opinion. For every basic class, we could find roughly equal numbers of people claiming one AC is superior to the other and vice versa.