ETA on Advanced Class change?

You funny.. You say other make no sense and then write the post above..

Jugg and Mara are two classes.. So if AC switching is allowed.. They would in fact have two toons for the price of one.. I fail to see how this can be any other way?? A Jugg is one toon, and the Mara is the other.. 1+1=2 in most cases.. You statement that they lose the Jugg is false.. They can always switch back right?? Otherwise what is the point of AC switching in the first place??

Yes they get a free toon.. They don't have to level the other AC do they??

There is no need for AC switching.. It should not be added ever..

Given how you have been asking questions with no simple answer as yes and no. I have had to use some creative license with just exactly what your problem is.

Thats good then. Glad your all for it. Now to get more on board.

I'm asking questions of this other person, because he is using poor logic to back up an AC change.

If you are accepting these reasons as why we SHOULD do it:

1.) Doesn't affect anyone else
2.) Isn't anyone elses business

Then, you are also going to accept P2W, as buying a lvl 55 character, buying end-game gear, etc. -- that all fits the criteria this person is giving.

I honestly see both the pros and the cons of AC swaps. I am against them, as I think there is probably a good reason no other MMO developer has allowed this, and it can easily cause dozens of major issues if not implemented properly. If they do implement them properly, there is absolutely a chance that all of the downsides are absent, and we will all have learned from experience.

You've got to keep up.

We have always stated there needs to be limitations to the AC swap to prevent what you just said. However, changing a red apple for an green apple doesn't mean you have both, so 1 + 1 = 2 is a terrible analogy.

Yes, and an assassin can also DPS or tank, depending on tree and gear. Again, putting words in my mouth and because you do that, I will continue to refuse to directly answer your question.

Changing AC, does not give anyone any "free" 55..... they have to give up one, to get one... in this case, the AC only, as I would not support base class changes.

I support, a restrictive AC change, meaning, its not free and can't be abused to the point it works like re-specs do.... nothing more. That is how I will reply, asking me if someone should be able to come into the game, and buy an instant 55, fully geared, has no comparison and would be P2W at that point...

You do realize, I am suggesting, a AC change, for people that took the time to level the toon that want to change it... right? NOT bases, AC only....

Anyway, I will check this thread later.... Maybe at some point, you will ask me questions that directly pertain to AC changes. Take your time, It may be an hour or more before I can reply.

Oh my god! How are you this thick-headed?!

Nothing you have said in this thread has pertained to my post, in any way. I have put NO words in your mouth. YOU have put them in mine.

I NEVER stated this was like getting a new or "free" 55. Not once. YOU are drawing that analogy based off of a lack of intelligence, since you haven't comprehended a word I've said.


Answer this then. Let us start from the very beginning. WHY do you think it is ok for people to purchase an AC change? A full list, if you will, of reasons why you are for it. Since, in your first post I responded to, you simple agreed with someone else who said:


THAT is the logic I am arguing against. THAT is the logic that also says P2W is perfectly ok. I am not attacking your OPINION on whether or not AC changes are ok. I am attacking your LOGIC and REASONING behind it -- as that reasoning will absolutely lead this game to very dark places. You, however, got immediately combative because of your lack of understanding. Had you responded to my initial question as an adult, I wouldn't've had to explain myself 10 different ways -- but, you've taken the emotional route and painted me as a "bad guy" and are clearly incapable of understanding what I am saying.

An AC swap has nothing to do with P2W. It's nothing like buying a level 55 in another MMO giving the massive amount of similarities between any 2 AC. You are not buying anymore gear then you already had and could swap to any other toon through legacy.

So P2W is such a stretch, it's laughable.

You can bet from a business standpoint we will eventually see AC. It just works too well for SWTOR and how the game is designed with classes and AC's on top of the business model thats now in place.

If done correctly (and your right there - it has to be done right) it could rebound this game in amazing ways.

All of which amount to nothing more than "It would affect my game play because I feel it would affect my game play."

What it feels like is irrelevant. It's not P2W because changing ACs is not an improvement, just a change.

No, you oppose it just because you don't like the idea of change. There're no rational reasons to be against it other than technical ones. You're free to not like the idea, but just say "I don't like it" and call it a day.

Making the choice to switch ACs would be just another choice. And lest you forget, it's just a game, the point of which is to have fun. Who are you to dictate to others how they should have fun? If you don't like the idea of switching ACs, should it become available, no one's gonna make you do it.

I don't think you are understanding me here.

I'm not comparing the two at all. I'm pointing out that the reasoning someone is using to support AC changes can also be used to support actual P2W mechanics.

I don't view AC changes as P2W, and I've never said they were. I've also explicitly stated numerous times that I was not aiming to draw an analogy between AC swaps and P2W/Purchasing a 55. I don't believe there is any analogy there, because they are completely separate issues.

My question would be best posed as: "If you are OK with an AC swap, where do you draw the line?"

If you feel people shouldn't be against things if they don't affect them, where do you draw the lines? Especially when we've already proven that AC changes CAN affect other people.

To play devils advocate here, Branmak, how do you feel about actual P2W? Purchasing a 55 isn't an improvement -- anyone else can purchase it, or level it up themselves without that payment for insta-55.

It wouldn't affect anyone elses gameplay. And, don't forget, it is just a choice. You aren't required to do it.