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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Themanthatisi
05.30.2013 , 12:32 PM | #271
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Impressive! So, not only do you fail to grasp a very basic statement someone else is making -- you cannot even counter it. Or respond like an adult.

Instead, you resort to ad hominem. You, sir, are certainly brilliant. Clearly, I'm the dumb one here.
When you are prepared to ask a question, to why I like the AC change idea, that has relevance to the AC idea, I will reply to it.

Questions, trying to make a comparison, to another aspect of the game or game play, is not relevant to the question of AC change. But I did sneak in a reply to you, elsewhere, so it will be interesting to see if you read it.

I was not going to reply directly to you, because you asked a question that had nothing to do with a AC change. My reply, could be twisted and compared to the idea of AC change and further used to try and devalue my reasoning for the AC change. Once you understand that and reply back, with a question, that directly applies to changing of the AC, I will be more than happy to go back and forth with you... like adults. Fair enough?
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Icebergy
05.30.2013 , 12:33 PM | #272
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
When you are prepared to ask a question, to why I like the AC change idea, that has relevance to the AC idea, I will reply to it.

Questions, trying to make a comparison, to another aspect of the game or game play, is not relevant to the question of AC change. But I did sneak in a reply to you, elsewhere, so it will be interesting to see if you read it.

I was not going to reply directly to you, because you asked a question that had nothing to do, with a AC change. My reply, could be twisted and compared to the idea of AC change and further used to try and devalue my reasoning for the AC change. Once you understand that and reply back, with a question, that directly applies to changing of the AC, I will be more than happy to go back and forth with you... like adults. Fair enough?
It has absolutely everything to do with AC change, because AC change is the exact same thing as buying a brand new 55 with whatever gear you already had.
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Themanthatisi
05.30.2013 , 12:36 PM | #273
Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy View Post
It has absolutely everything to do with AC change, because AC change is the exact same thing as buying a brand new 55 with whatever gear you already had.
what? LOL... Yeah, like the gear for a sentinal will be any good for a Guardian.... Or the gear for a sorce will work well on an assassin...

Really, this is the best you can do?

Dude, you would probably have to pay up big time too replace the gear. Do you know the difference between a focus and a shield generator?

You would be much better off, sticking to topic... really.
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Kilora
05.30.2013 , 12:38 PM | #274
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
When you are prepared to ask a question, to why I like the AC change idea, that has relevance to the AC idea, I will reply to it.

Questions, trying to make a comparison, to another aspect of the game or game play, is not relevant to the question of AC change. But I did sneak in a reply to you, elsewhere, so it will be interesting to see if you read it.

I was not going to reply directly to you, because you asked a question that had nothing to do with a AC change. My reply, could be twisted and compared to the idea of AC change and further used to try and devalue my reasoning for the AC change. Once you understand that and reply back, with a question, that directly applies to changing of the AC, I will be more than happy to go back and forth with you... like adults. Fair enough?

So -- in other words, by pointing out the flawed logic behind your acceptance of an AC change, you're telling me that it isn't related to an AC change?

Boy -- you really aren't good at this whole discussion thing, are you.

I pointed out THE LOGIC (aka reasoning, if you didn't grasp that) behind why you are ok with an AC change. THAT SAME LOGIC would mean you are ok with all other aspects of P2W. THEY ARE DIRECTLY RELATED.

If you cannot understand THAT, you should stop trying to act superior and accept your inability to understand a basic discussion point. The question was valid, and in DIRECT relation to the discussion on AC changes. You are using all attempts possible to deflect my question.

So, now I have not only asked you the question 3 times, but I've also explained TWICE how it is DIRECTLY related to your argument on AC changes.

IF you are not going to answer it, just say you refuse to answer it. Don't come up with complete BS reasons for it. Valid question, valid argument. YOU are the only one refusing to be an adult. And I am sorry for that -- it could've been an enlightening discussion for both sides.

PS: I'm not impressed with your lackluster attempts at passive aggresive insults hurled my way through moronic generalization. If you bothered to read the thread, especially my previous posts, you'd see my acquiecense to the point an earlier intelligent poster made clear.

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Quraswren
05.30.2013 , 12:39 PM | #275
Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy View Post
OMG GASP you mean you might have to run the same story TWICE! Man that is so much worse than in WoW where to have all 8 classes you had to do the same story 8 times! The horror of playing the same story twice! It is almost too much to bear!
Sorry to burst your bubble but WOW and SWTOR and not setup the same.

You can do a great deal of leveling in WOW and not hit the same areas or quests. That doesn't work in SWTOR.

You can level a tank and DPS and do exactly the same quests and class story and never see anything different in SWTOR. The first 10 levels being exact copies and the remaining being the same except for some minor button mashing.

While there is no AC's in WOW - SWTOR has them as a choice early on. This game is setup entirely different and an AC swap mechanic would more than work.

Trudging through the same story twice in SWTOR is a rather bleak experience just to see the other AC of a class you pretty much already know.

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Kilora
05.30.2013 , 12:41 PM | #276
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
what? LOL... Yeah, like the gear for a sentinal will be any good for a Guardian.... Or the gear for a sorce will work well on an assassin...

Really, this is the best you can do?

Dude, you would probably have to pay up big time too replace the gear. Do you know the difference between a focus and a shield generator?

You would be much better off, sticking to topic... really.
So, have you ever played this game?

Because, 99% of the gear my Sorc uses could EASILY be transferred to an Assassin. Clearly, not a tank -- but, GASP, a DPS assassin can't just magically tank in his DPS gear, either!

Want to try that again?

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Quraswren
05.30.2013 , 12:44 PM | #277
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
So, have you ever played this game?

Because, 99% of the gear my Sorc uses could EASILY be transferred to an Assassin. Clearly, not a tank -- but, GASP, a DPS assassin can't just magically tank in his DPS gear, either!

Want to try that again?
So you have a problem with AC swapping cause one DPS might also be DPS in another AC?

Have you hit your head recently?

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Themanthatisi
05.30.2013 , 12:45 PM | #278
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
So -- in other words, by pointing out the flawed logic behind your acceptance of an AC change, you're telling me that it isn't related to an AC change?

Boy -- you really aren't good at this whole discussion thing, are you.

I pointed out THE LOGIC (aka reasoning, if you didn't grasp that) behind why you are ok with an AC change. THAT SAME LOGIC would mean you are ok with all other aspects of P2W. THEY ARE DIRECTLY RELATED.

If you cannot understand THAT, you should stop trying to act superior and accept your inability to understand a basic discussion point. The question was valid, and in DIRECT relation to the discussion on AC changes. You are using all attempts possible to deflect my question.

So, now I have not only asked you the question 3 times, but I've also explained TWICE how it is DIRECTLY related to your argument on AC changes.

IF you are not going to answer it, just say you refuse to answer it. Don't come up with complete BS reasons for it. Valid question, valid argument. YOU are the only one refusing to be an adult. And I am sorry for that -- it could've been an enlightening discussion for both sides.
you still make no sence... if someone made a 55 Jugg and wanted a 55 mara and they switch the AC, guess what, they lose the Jugg. They do not get a free 55, fully geared, the mara will be quite useless with a shield and absorption. But since you do not understand that, I will not bother to explain how different gear also affects the classes. Also, so you know, a Jugg uses heavy armor, a mara used medium... The person making the AC change, better be prepared for cost and new gear, mods, etc....

Explain to me your logic again please... I fail to see how someone gets a free 55, fully geared. but you are entertaining, I will give you that. lol.

to make this simpler for you, if someone makes a AC change, they don't all of a sudden have an extra toon.... lol.
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Kilora
05.30.2013 , 12:46 PM | #279
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
So you have a problem with AC swapping cause one DPS might also be DPS in another AC?

Have you hit your head recently?
Did I say that is why I had a problem with AC swapping?
I was countering the post I quoted, who is someone who is FOR AC swapping.

I've actually never stated a reason for being against it -- as I don't rightly care, seeing as how BW has already stated they will be adding it.

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Kilora
05.30.2013 , 12:49 PM | #280
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
you still make no sence... if someone made a 55 Jugg and wanted a 55 mara and they switch the AC, guess what, they lose the Jugg. They do not get a free 55, fully geared, the mara will be quite useless with a shield and absorption. But since you do not understand that, I will not bother to explain how different gear also affects the classes. Also, so you know, a Jugg uses heavy armor, a mara used medium... The person making the AC change, better be prepared for cost and new gear, mods, etc....

Explain to me you logic again please... I fail to see how someone gets a free 55, fully geared. but you are entertaining, I will give you that. lol.

to make this simpler for you, if someone makes a AC change, they don't all of a sudden have an extra toon.... lol.

To make this simple for you -- where the hell did I say someone gets a free 55?

YOU are claiming that AC changes are ok, because they don't affect anyone else.
You agreed with Anzels post, stating that "It isn't anyone elses business what spec I am, etc. etc."

Using that SAME LOGIC, you would then be OK with someone purchasing a 55 instead of working for it, because it doesn't "affect anyone else."

How on earth can you not understand this? I take it you don't actually read someones post when they disagree with you?

As for gear -- so, should we also make it fair to other classes then? Because Sniper and Operative, Sorc and Assasin, Merc and BH, they can all change without altering gear. But apparently Jugg/Mara cannot.

Edit: You do realize that Juggs don't have to use Shields, right? And DPS juggs don't use absorption?