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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Jadescythe
05.30.2013 , 11:23 AM | #2581
Quote: Originally Posted by HuaRya View Post
Anyone notice after today's patch the 'full pug always playing a premade' seems to now be more frequent?

Since obviously nobody is playing ranked it's probably time to have two separate warzones for solo and group

Since most the majority of pvp'ers consist of solo players they should be allowed the option to play in an all PUG match or fill in for a Group match.
If MOST of the queue consisted of solo players, how are you ALWAYS seeing premades. You can't have it both ways bud.
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Technohic
05.30.2013 , 11:26 AM | #2582
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Well it kinda died down for a bit but yeah...interesting that no dev has posted anything. Its almost as if this was working. as. intended.
They posted somewhere else about working on matchmaking, but I cannot find it for the life of me.

Really, that is all that is needed. You can seperate PUGs and Premades, but people are still going to get placed on bad PUG teams against good PUG teams and get rolled so I fail to see a seperate queue fixing anything while breaking pop times.

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Jadescythe
05.30.2013 , 11:27 AM | #2583
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
They posted somewhere else about working on matchmaking, but I cannot find it for the life of me.

Really, that is all that is needed. You can seperate PUGs and Premades, but people are still going to get placed on bad PUG teams against good PUG teams and get rolled so I fail to see a seperate queue fixing anything while breaking pop times.
I'm really tired of saying this same thing over and over. The quote is not from the forums, however, it was a Q&A of some kind which is why it's hard to find now. I wish they would just make a dev post so I could move on with my life either way.
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cycao
05.30.2013 , 11:28 AM | #2584
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
If MOST of the queue consisted of solo players, how are you ALWAYS seeing premades. You can't have it both ways bud.
See this is one of my beefs with this issue, its always a full on pug vs a group of premades. I don't know what these pugs would do if they were to land on a team with a premade...oh wait yeah I do as its usually contribute to losing.

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Sharee
05.30.2013 , 11:30 AM | #2585
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
You are signing away your rights to choose your team and opponents by clicking the queue for warzone button..
Am i?

I can just quit the warzone over and over until i get the setup that i want. What is that if not 'choosing your opponents'?

Of course, doing so is detrimental to the rest of my team, who maybe does not mind facing a premade. I don't want to ruin their fun needlessly, thus im asking for that checkbox that will not put me into their game in the firstplace.

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Kovaos
05.30.2013 , 11:35 AM | #2586
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
Or else be at a disadvantage in regs against anyone who did ranked... what a terrible idea.
Well, you'll never see Peyton Manning in the Canadian Football League and there's a reason for that. Let the pros play with pros and the casuals with casuals.

If the casual thinks he can step it up give him a chance to play with the pros. Not the other way around.
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cycao
05.30.2013 , 11:39 AM | #2587
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
They posted somewhere else about working on matchmaking, but I cannot find it for the life of me.

Really, that is all that is needed. You can seperate PUGs and Premades, but people are still going to get placed on bad PUG teams against good PUG teams and get rolled so I fail to see a seperate queue fixing anything while breaking pop times.
Yeah I remember that as well. Though myself and others swear there is all ready some sort of matchmaking that is in game now because more often than not we face a premade when we are grouped up together, very rarely do we face a full on pug.

Sometimes we think its a pug but then we realize its just a half pug half terrible premade.

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Jadescythe
05.30.2013 , 11:44 AM | #2588
Quote: Originally Posted by Sharee View Post
Am i?

I can just quit the warzone over and over until i get the setup that i want. What is that if not 'choosing your opponents'?

Of course, doing so is detrimental to the rest of my team, who maybe does not mind facing a premade. I don't want to ruin their fun needlessly, thus im asking for that checkbox that will not put me into their game in the firstplace.
1) You cannot choose your opponents, only choose to stay in the warzone or not. If everyone left, then you may very well see the same opponents upon requeuing. So you most likely will change opponents, but are not able to select a non premade.

2) Please quit my warzones. If you are so terrible to the point of being paralyzed by fear at the sight of a premade and have to leave, then g t f o and let someone better take your spot. I assume you are the type of person that leaves the warzone because you are getting destroyed more so than because the other side had a premade.

Do you leave as soon as you see two guild tags that are the same or do you leave because they immediately capped 2 nodes at the start? Do you stay in every game that is close? Because there is no way to know there is a premade on the other side short of asking them. If you leave when you see the same guild tags, it could have been random and not a premade. If you stay in a game there could be a premade on the other side that isn't in the same guild. If you leave because you are getting steamrolled there could be a premade or there may not be.

Basically you are saying you leave warzones with premades but have no way to really know if there is one or not. It makes you sound like a whiny quitter who can't win and refuses to take a loss and blames it on premades.
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Kovaos
05.30.2013 , 11:45 AM | #2589
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
They posted somewhere else about working on matchmaking, but I cannot find it for the life of me.

Really, that is all that is needed. You can seperate PUGs and Premades, but people are still going to get placed on bad PUG teams against good PUG teams and get rolled so I fail to see a seperate queue fixing anything while breaking pop times.
This is completely true.
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Astarica
05.30.2013 , 11:46 AM | #2590
There's no way there's any matchmaking behind the scenes, mostly because matchmaking is a trivial thing to implement correctly. It's something that's been well studied in various other games and it's something that is essentially solved. You can usually find a complete documentation on how a matchmaking system works just from the said game's website since they want to assure you the system actually works, so you don't even have to look very hard to steal something that works.