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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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cycao
05.30.2013 , 10:00 AM | #2561
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosmadness View Post
Whats the point of Ranked Warzones in the game if they run in normal ??
Still dont understand why they made ranked if no1 do that atm...lol
Well most of these "big bad premades" that wreck these poor scrubs do run ranked. Ranked is something of a double edged sword and if you say ole have 12 guildmates on well you have 4 left out, those 4 players will form a group and partake in regs. Its not rocket science, ranked queues don't pop 24/7 like regs do and regular warzones do not require particular players classes and specs.

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chaosmadness
05.30.2013 , 10:10 AM | #2562
In my opinion, BW should change the "mechanic" and queues should join premades VS premades.
That would make PVP more fair for all.

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Comfterbilly
05.30.2013 , 10:11 AM | #2563
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosmadness View Post
Whats the point of Ranked Warzones in the game if they run in normal ??
Still dont understand why they made ranked if no1 do that atm...lol
The point used to be "no you do not need solo we just need ranked that is what we really want" now to point supposedly is "well we'd have ranked but we still want your queue to to practice on". what I say is is that if what they really want is the rank practice queue they should ask the company for it but that is a separate issue not of our concern we have already made too many accommodations in return for no accommodations for our more numerous request.

in my opinion they have had what they want all along....

Pugrolling.
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Kovaos
05.30.2013 , 10:11 AM | #2564
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Well most of these "big bad premades" that wreck these poor scrubs do run ranked. Ranked is something of a double edged sword and if you say ole have 12 guildmates on well you have 4 left out, those 4 players will form a group and partake in regs. Its not rocket science, ranked queues don't pop 24/7 like regs do and regular warzones do not require particular players classes and specs.
All the better reason for some type of 4v4 system. They need to stop giving RWZ comms for doing reg dailies/weekly. Give a higher incentive for doing ranked in addition to a 4v4 type system that will provide RWZ comms. Not sure if that kind of qualifies as an arena system.

There is a simple truth in this post that premades, which usually consist of verbal coordination and better gear than pugs, are killing the experience for the solo queue player.
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TonyDragonflame
05.30.2013 , 10:12 AM | #2565
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosmadness View Post
Whats the point of Ranked Warzones in the game if they run in normal ??
Still dont understand why they made ranked if no1 do that atm...lol
^ This

Ranked were specially designed as separated queue for premades, BW must make final step - remove "Group queue" button for regilar wz.

Wanna play solo -go regular wz.
Wanna play with friends - go ranked wz.
Wanna play with friends, but have not enough friends? No problem. Its MMO. Stop being bad, l2p, make more friends, go with friends to ranked.

Simply!

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Jadescythe
05.30.2013 , 10:15 AM | #2566
Quote: Originally Posted by Kovaos View Post
All the better reason for some type of 4v4 system. They need to stop giving RWZ comms for doing reg dailies/weekly. Give a higher incentive for doing ranked in addition to a 4v4 type system that will provide RWZ comms. Not sure if that kind of qualifies as an arena system.

There is a simple truth in this post that premades, which usually consist of verbal coordination and better gear than pugs, are killing the experience for the solo queue player.
You totally contradicted yourself. If premades have better gear, why would you take away access to better gear for PUGs?

Premades still rely on 4 other players in a warzone so coordination must still be done via chat and not solely by voice comms. This is a very slight advantage in the overall scheme of things.
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Kovaos
05.30.2013 , 10:23 AM | #2567
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
You totally contradicted yourself. If premades have better gear, why would you take away access to better gear for PUGs?
No contradiction at all. If someone wants the BiS they need to earn it playing at a higher level.
"my friend said he got a pack of level 50 armor and all i got was level 47 pants."

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Jadescythe
05.30.2013 , 10:36 AM | #2568
Quote: Originally Posted by Kovaos View Post
No contradiction at all. If someone wants the BiS they need to earn it playing at a higher level.
Or else be at a disadvantage in regs against anyone who did ranked... what a terrible idea.
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Kontraz
05.30.2013 , 10:36 AM | #2569
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyDragonflame View Post
^ This

Ranked were specially designed as separated queue for premades, BW must make final step - remove "Group queue" button for regilar wz.

Wanna play solo -go regular wz.
Wanna play with friends - go ranked wz.
Wanna play with friends, but have not enough friends? No problem. Its MMO. Stop being bad, l2p, make more friends, go with friends to ranked.

Simply!
I don't see why this is so hard for the anti-premade group to comprehend. Ranked =/= group. Ranked = competitive level where wins/losses are tracked. This means you should only group with a good team composition with everyone having worked together prior. If there was a separate queue (which I think is bad form to begin with) it would be acceptable to disallow groups in standard.

You defeat yourself with your logic for "not having enough friends" You claim it is an MMO, they should learn to play and get more friends. This is the primary argument used against people who solo queue then cry about facing premades.

A matchmaking system would help, but with low populations you would still most likely end up facing the same groups regardless.

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cycao
05.30.2013 , 10:37 AM | #2570
Quote: Originally Posted by Kovaos View Post
All the better reason for some type of 4v4 system. They need to stop giving RWZ comms for doing reg dailies/weekly. Give a higher incentive for doing ranked in addition to a 4v4 type system that will provide RWZ comms. Not sure if that kind of qualifies as an arena system.

There is a simple truth in this post that premades, which usually consist of verbal coordination and better gear than pugs, are killing the experience for the solo queue player.
I have always hated the gear gap argument. Gear is so stupidly easy to obtain especially now with how bolster works, the only real advantage a premade has over a solo queued player is VoIP but a little situational awareness and some quick checks in the ops chat will help with that as I rarely get into vent when I am queued with players and I am usually defending.

Quote: Originally Posted by TonyDragonflame View Post
^ This

Ranked were specially designed as separated queue for premades, BW must make final step - remove "Group queue" button for regilar wz.

Wanna play solo -go regular wz.
Wanna play with friends - go ranked wz.
Wanna play with friends, but have not enough friends? No problem. Its MMO. Stop being bad, l2p, make more friends, go with friends to ranked.

Simply!
Ranked warzones were implemented for 8 man teams to queue up against other 8 man teams to acquire a rating. Regs do not require a specific time of day which goes hand and hand with other teams to be queuing, specfic classes and specs and possibly specific players (some teams only run a specific core of players). Which is why guilds that do not meet some of these requirements will either pluck other players who are available or simply do some regs.

Oh and recruiting. Guilds looking for recuits will usually run some grouped warzones together to...and this might be a shocker, see how they perform working as a group...crazy I know.