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justandulas
05.29.2013 , 09:15 AM | #671
Quote: Originally Posted by Yodawizard View Post
Good call about valor, oh wait, valor doesn't mean ANYTHING right now. How about a system that is tied to valor, or legacy rewards for valor etc SOMETHING. All these pvp systems are all half assed. ALL OF THEM.
More valor ranks is hardly the solution for more pvp content. Quite the opposite. It was just an example of how little dev time PVP saw since f2p. New valor ranks take all of a lunch break to think up and another lunch break to code in, so to me I feel like we got absolutely zero dev time this expansion.

Not even programming in the courtesy of new valor ranks shows the lack of commitment of the pvp team. Such a waste of potential since i really do love the pvp in this game and outside of leveling is the best part of SWTOR, imo. With ESO, EQN, GTA5, wildstar and new consoles all coming this year... 2.4 in october seems like too far away to make a difference. Alot of the pvp crowd will have thrown up their hands and given up by then. Hell, most of the best pvpers i've known in SWTOR have already left since launch since a pvp sub is basically a 2nd class sub.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
-Darth Justandulas

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Yodawizard
05.29.2013 , 09:20 AM | #672
Quote: Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
More valor ranks is hardly the solution for more pvp content. Quite the opposite. It was just an example of how little dev time PVP saw since f2p. New valor ranks take all of a lunch break to think up and another lunch break to code in, so to me I feel like we got absolutely zero dev time this expansion.

Not even programming in the courtesy of new valor ranks shows the lack of commitment of the pvp team. Such a waste of potential since i really do love the pvp in this game and outside of leveling is the best part of SWTOR, imo. With ESO, EQN, GTA5, wildstar and new consoles all coming this year... 2.4 in october seems like too far away to make a difference. Alot of the pvp crowd will have thrown up their hands and given up by then. Hell, most of the best pvpers i've known in SWTOR have already left since launch since a pvp sub is basically a 2nd class sub.
To be fair a lot of the lvl 51 abilities play out well in PvP and I would attribute that to the pvp team and balancing based on lvl 55 and new talent trees was obviously a larger undertaking then increasing a useless valor system ranking to go to a bigger number.

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justandulas
05.29.2013 , 09:23 AM | #673
Quote: Originally Posted by Yodawizard View Post
To be fair a lot of the lvl 51 abilities play out well in PvP and I would attribute that to the pvp team and balancing based on lvl 55 and new talent trees was obviously a larger undertaking then increasing a useless valor system ranking to go to a bigger number.
Well, i love the balance in SWTOR pvp and even with the new abilities balance remains fantastic. I give them alot of props for them, they deserve it. However, waiting until october for new content is just too much. I'd really like them to switch 2.4 with 2.3. PVE has seen plenty of love this expansion already (even if it is recycled, but that's another issue altogether..)
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
-Darth Justandulas

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Yodawizard
05.29.2013 , 09:24 AM | #674
Quote: Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
Well, i love the balance in SWTOR pvp and even with the new abilities balance remains fantastic. I give them alot of props for them, they deserve it. However, waiting until october for new content is just too much. I'd really like them to switch 2.4 with 2.3. PVE has seen plenty of love this expansion already (even if it is recycled, but that's another issue altogether..)
Completely agree, but I would also like to know their vision of what they see pvp as going forward so some of us can decide whether we want to stay or not, which is exactly why they won't tell us.

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Lord_Karsk
05.29.2013 , 09:26 AM | #675
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Please do not listen to this.... First off Arena is a completely new pvp system and they haven't even gotten the first system they implemented working correctly yet.
So nice to have people like talking like this only to prove that you have no idee, second arenas is awesome and poplular in any game.A good reason wildstar launch with them.

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Mark-JPS
05.29.2013 , 09:28 AM | #676
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post
Hi Warforever!

We are listening and do care. For what it’s worth I’m a PvPer too. PvP is one of our priorities and we are not going to do away with it. I’m not a big believer in making excuses, and can understand why it might feel like we are not focused on PvP, but here’s a bit of an explanation why the next big PvP update is several months out:

PvP and Class Balance are the same team of guys. It makes sense that the designers working on one also work on the other. This means that raising the level cap to 55 for Rise of the Hutt Cartel last month and redoing all the talent trees for all classes and extending the PvP game to level 55 and redoing the PvP gear for Rise of the Hutt Cartel has kept them busy. In fact, it took a heroic effort on their part to accomplish all this. This team plays PvP every day and share your and my passion for it. Now that Rise of the Hutt Cartel is behind them they don’t want to just service PvP by adding another warzone to the rotation, they want to address PvP with a meaningful update. We’ve given them the go ahead to do this and that’s why the big PvP features are several months out.
Awesome reply Bruce.. Now answer this question, do you think it's right for thousands PvPers to wait ten months to almost a year for a PvP update they wanted? Do you think its right as well to have them spend at least $150 just to wait and aspire that the next game update would be related to PvP?

What guarantee that this next update will be big? When I say big, it means it's a lot of things being added to PvP, not just one warzone, or something else. If you can guarantee these kind of stuff to PvPers, you can expect them to come back. Until then, promises means nothing until you release some kind of hints as to what they can expect. Going with the track record of Bioware, this 'big update' could just be a recycled content like what Bioware is doing for 2.2, NiM of Terror from Beyond is NOT A BIG UPDATE.

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ZeroOneNine
05.29.2013 , 09:30 AM | #677
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[...] my guild <Care Bear Tickle Party> [...]
Holy crap that is an epic PvE guild name! Guess we should stop trying to make funny guild names now, because nobody is going to top that one.

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Wanjagenrich
05.29.2013 , 09:30 AM | #678
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post
PvP is one of our priorities.
lol'ed

#preseason4ever

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BewBo
05.29.2013 , 09:39 AM | #679
Can we please just have some new pvp war zones?!!! In addition to existing ones.

An alternative HB arena would be great!

I repeat, some new pvp war zones pleeeeease.

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islander
05.29.2013 , 10:05 AM | #680
Quote: Originally Posted by BruceMaclean View Post
Hi Warforever!

We are listening and do care. For what it’s worth I’m a PvPer too. PvP is one of our priorities and we are not going to do away with it. I’m not a big believer in making excuses, and can understand why it might feel like we are not focused on PvP, but here’s a bit of an explanation why the next big PvP update is several months out:

PvP and Class Balance are the same team of guys. It makes sense that the designers working on one also work on the other. This means that raising the level cap to 55 for Rise of the Hutt Cartel last month and redoing all the talent trees for all classes and extending the PvP game to level 55 and redoing the PvP gear for Rise of the Hutt Cartel has kept them busy. In fact, it took a heroic effort on their part to accomplish all this. This team plays PvP every day and share your and my passion for it. Now that Rise of the Hutt Cartel is behind them they don’t want to just service PvP by adding another warzone to the rotation, they want to address PvP with a meaningful update. We’ve given them the go ahead to do this and that’s why the big PvP features are several months out.
Which PvP features might this be?

This'll probably be one of my last posts, as I go premium/FTP tonight or tommorrow. I'll still log on for the same warzone business most nights for a couple hours, but that's it. Do my dailies, grind out items for my primary alt on the pub side (because I really enjoy my sniper!).

If the "PvP patch" in the fall actually delivers, I'll re-sub then. Until then, you'll have to understand, as a "PvPer" yourself, why I can't reconcile continuing to subscribe after being a subscriber since the very beginning.
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