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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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SavingPrincess
05.28.2013 , 01:47 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by VacoVenator View Post
I always love these discussions. You have the players that want the feature, the players that don't care one way or the other and then the "Worst idea ever" players. The irony of this is that if Bioware had included the ability to change your advance class in the release version, most of the "Worst idea ever" players would be using it and never even give it a thought.

Same thing applies to having a multi-spec feature that allows for quickly changing your abilities and gear. Every time someone mentions that as a desired feature you get 10 guys whining about how we are too lazy already. How much you willing to bet that if that feature had been in release and someone proposed taking it away, the same cry babies would be screaming bloody murder.

Bottom line is, if someone proposes a feature that you don't like, think about this: Would you have used the feature if it had been included in release or would you have ignored it out of principle? Well same thing applies in reverse, if Bioware adds a new feature that you disagree with, don't use it and just keep playing the way you want.
How DARE you bring logic into this!!
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Hizoka
05.28.2013 , 02:18 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
AC changes is something I could get behind and I can see where people might get into a class and dislike it.
  • Having an AC change could encourage individuals to play the game more / longer. Keeping subs going.
  • It could be priced in a way that few would ever be able to abuse it.
  • It could still have a time limit placed on doing it.
  • It wouldn't affect AC balance since there is nothing in place now for balancing AC's.
  • It's also the prefect money maker as there are those that really want this. This is one of the few things I see as: "should belong in the cartel market." (given that so much of the other stuff should not be)

I think overall it's a win/win for the game and for players.
its a lose/lose. its closer to pay2win then anything else next to selling raid gear in the CM. People will AC swap simply to play the FOTM. On top of that people are terrible at playing a class they leveled for 55 levels how bad do you think they will be when you hand them a 100% new class with improper gear??

There is 0 good that comes from it, this is something the lazy QQ brigade wants not the bulk of the playerbase. Its no different then just selling level 55 toons on the CM its a dumb idea and there is nothing good that will come of it.

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Quraswren
05.28.2013 , 02:26 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
its a lose/lose. its closer to pay2win then anything else next to selling raid gear in the CM.
You're reaching for a P2W scenario there. Changing AC with limitations is no where near a pay 2 win game.

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People will AC swap simply to play the FOTM.
I don't care. It's their game time and their dime. If they want to spend some cash and swap AC's, more power to them. The AC swap needs limitations but that would be easy enough to implement to stop a FOTM constant changing. Cost and a time limit being the 2 easily ones to start with.

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On top of that people are terrible at playing a class they leveled for 55 levels how bad do you think they will be when you hand them a 100% new class with improper gear??
Exactly. People are already bad and they leveled from 1-55. Taking your 55 gunslinger and making him a smuggler won't change anything for them. Bads stay bad.

The ones that actually put in effort to know their class will have already put in the work to know the alternate AC anyway cause they want to be good at it. Most will already have gear to support it. Goods remain good.

But the cool thing that might happen is that bad players might get a new appreciation for the game if they really enjoy the changed AC. They might actually become good players. ( I say might cause you never know but even if they stay bad players your no worse off then you were if they stayed with their first AC.)

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There is 0 good that comes from it, this is something the lazy QQ brigade wants not the bulk of the playerbase. Its no different then just selling level 55 toons on the CM its a dumb idea and there is nothing good that will come of it.
I can see all kinds of good coming from an AC swap with limitations. The only bad thing coming from this is the fear mongering along with the hyperbole you have there near the end of your post.

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Ratajack
05.28.2013 , 10:09 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Just one example.....

Sorc is incredibly underpowered at level 50.
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Here we have one example of one of the biggest reasons why people want class changes, to be the OP class.

Is this really a valid reason for wanting to change class?

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Asavar
05.29.2013 , 12:55 AM | #185
Won't happen.

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Deganji
05.29.2013 , 12:58 AM | #186
It says, when you choose your AC, that it's a permanent choice. The amount of people who pick an AC then cry they can't switch in game every night is just amazing to me. Not being a jerk here, just slow down and read people.

That said, I don't really care if we get this one way or the other. If it gets put in, it gets put in. No need for everyone to fight about it, it's not like the devs give a crap what the players say anyway. One thing is for sure, if it does get put in, it'll also cost cartel coins.

I'd never pay for it myself, heck I've delete 55s and remade them just to have something to do. Not like it takes long to level or there is anything to do at endgame. I just find leveling fun. I know it takes some people longer to level, I'm not downing you, chill.

I just know it's going to suck healing all those 55 tanks that haven't tanked a day in their life. That is, if you can get a heal slot, after all the dps switch to heals to get a fast que.

Wait, all the dps switch to tank and heals? I might get to try out my dps spec.. Might not be so bad, haha.

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Pingonaut
05.29.2013 , 01:06 AM | #187
I simply do not understand why so many people want this in the game. Seriously, what is so hard about making a new character? Do you not think over your decision before choosing? Are you simply closing your eyes and picking your AC? Seriously, make an informed decision before choosing the class you'll be playing the rest of your game life.

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Sziroten
05.29.2013 , 01:21 AM | #188
If people really want this change, why not.

I don't regret a single minute of playtime on any of my characters and you still won't understand how other classes play which makes you per se a worse player in pvp for example.
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CommanderKeeva
05.29.2013 , 02:20 AM | #189
I wouldn't complain if they made the AC change one time only and expensive, so you can't respec every other day and abuse the feature.

But even though the AC selection screen says it's permanent, it doesn't address two very real concerns:

1. Players have no idea how the classes they pick will perform at endgame. Especially DPS-wise, one AC can out-dps the other by a huge margin. This is especially true for ACs that have viable hybrid trees (such as Gunslinger > Scoundrel and Vanguard > Commando). The difference in performance may not be apparent until you're well-invested into the endgame level and done parses on hard/nightmare bosses. Then you realize there's nothing else you can improve with your DPS, you should have went with the other AC half a year ago -,-

2. Rerolling an alt means losing everything your other character had. Every speeder, every pet, every title, every codex entry, everything. An upsetting experience for collectors, to say the least. Rerolling wouldn't be such a huge issue, if our speeder, pet and Codex collections were bound to legacy.

So yeah, don't abuse this feature but let players who accidentally chose an AC that performs significantly worse in one area than its counterpart change their ACs without losing everything they've collected.
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Jeweledleah
05.29.2013 , 02:52 AM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Deganji View Post

I just know it's going to suck healing all those 55 tanks that haven't tanked a day in their life. That is, if you can get a heal slot, after all the dps switch to heals to get a fast que.
well... it already sucks since when you pick AC, you still have a choice between tanking and dps tree and a lot of people just level as a dps, and then respec when they hit max level.

so whether AC change is allowed or not - above is still happening and will continue to happen.

I know that for me, even knowing what the class is supposed to be about - it took actually playing to realize that I wasn't enjoying it. some things you just cannot judge until you try.. and then its too late and you have pets and titles and other fun items you sometimes cannot even replace anymore, because it was a one time deal, one time event