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Events bringing the trolls out from under their bridges, and how to fix it.

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Events bringing the trolls out from under their bridges, and how to fix it.

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ClavisN
05.28.2013 , 05:38 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by WillHolmes View Post
why the hell do you people think there needs to be a gosh darn reason to kill someone, you PVP to SEE DEAD PEOPLE WHILE YOUR STILL STANDING... THE END.
You are a psychopath. Get professional help.

People do PvP because they love the challenge player opponents provide, as opposed to NPC opponents.

People who do PvP because they can harm and humiliate others are griefers, and they have no place in any MMO. In fact, griefers have no place in civil society at all - they have to change their ways or end up getting locked in.

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xxIncubixx
05.28.2013 , 05:43 AM | #122
tbh this event was yet another mistake/failure by bioware, was it so hard to make the pvp quests "Kill 10 players" or 20 whatever (on top of killing droids), insteadt they made pve quests on a pvp zone... which is Retarded, and im a pvp player.

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AlrikFassbauer
05.28.2013 , 05:54 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by ClavisN View Post
You are a psychopath. Get professional help.

People do PvP because they love the challenge player opponents provide, as opposed to NPC opponents.

People who do PvP because they can harm and humiliate others are griefers, and they have no place in any MMO. In fact, griefers have no place in civil society at all - they have to change their ways or end up getting locked in.
I agree to this.

I thought that PvP was about challenge.

It wasn't.
Complex minds
Cope with
Complex problems.

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xxIncubixx
05.28.2013 , 05:57 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
I agree to this.

I thought that PvP was about challenge.

It wasn't.
never was , Open World PvP is mostly gank or be ganked.

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Stoofa
05.28.2013 , 05:59 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by xxIncubixx View Post
tbh this event was yet another mistake/failure by bioware, was it so hard to make the pvp quests "Kill 10 players" or 20 whatever (on top of killing droids), insteadt they made pve quests on a pvp zone... which is Retarded, and im a pvp player.
But they aren't PvE quests.
This is the one sticking point throughout this whole argument.
It doesn't matter how you perceive these quests or if you think they are PVE there are some facts you simply cannot get away from:

The quests have a [PVP] Tag
They take place in a contested, free-for-all area
The reward for completing them is WZ commendations

You can call them PVE as much as you like - it doesn't make it true.

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Stib_
05.28.2013 , 06:20 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Stoofa View Post
The quests have a [PVP] Tag
They take place in a contested, free-for-all area
The reward for completing them is WZ commendations

You can call them PVE as much as you like - it doesn't make it true.
Well, it seems to be a big difference in how people look at quests. There are those, who look at a quest, as what needs to be done there, and there are people, who are looking at name tags, places, and rewards.

Here or in another topic, i challenged the defenders, to convince me of their right, but so, that they can not argue with the name, place, and reward of the quests. Needless to say, there was no arguing there.

I can, and have written about the "pvp" quests in the Gree event without their names, places, or rewards. And it seemed like a generic pve quest, to me at least...

Those, who see an npc killing, object scanning, and resource gathering quest, that can be soloed, as a pvp quest, are...people too.

Those, who say it's a pve quest placed in a pvp area by bad design, are people too, but the ones i agree with.

You can call them PVP as much as you like - it doesn't make it true.

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cycao
05.28.2013 , 06:39 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by ClavisN View Post
You are a psychopath. Get professional help.

People do PvP because they love the challenge player opponents provide, as opposed to NPC opponents.

People who do PvP because they can harm and humiliate others are griefers, and they have no place in any MMO. In fact, griefers have no place in civil society at all - they have to change their ways or end up getting locked in.
Since doing thousands of all the warzones can get bland this event is somewhat of a breath of fresh air to PvPers since this area was implemented to them. You get warned upon entering and this is from my pov from being on a PvP server, is that you assume the risk when doing these missions. This is a recurring event, these two quests can be skipped.

I kill anyone and anything in this FFA area. Its a FFA after all the same rules apply to outlaws den, the area can be skipped just as easy as the one on Ilum. Also when I do kill someone and rage I normally just move on but when the personal attacks come out then my empathy is lost.

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danielearley
05.28.2013 , 06:46 AM | #128
I generally play PVE and do the occasional WZ.... Not sure if that classes me as PVE or PVP, I don't think about it TBH.

With regards to the PVP quests in Gree, I'm amazed at the fact you don't expect to get attacked. If you walk into a WZ flagged for PVP you get attacked!

It's generally the case that you will only get attacked if your opponents feel they have the advantage, that's not griefing its strategy. if your in a large group of Pubs and there are a few imps around it's unlikely the imps will attack vice versa.

I would admittedly like to see same faction PVP removed, as I've accidently shot and killed and ally whilst trying to help others of my faction

If you have a problem with the same person attacking you all the time, then change instance.

My only complaint would be the ability to heal the Droids you have to kill with the blue defense thing, as this is in a PVE area and should not be allowed!
Reading the Forum, just shows how stupid some people are. Which probably includes me for getting involved

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ClavisN
05.28.2013 , 06:47 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Since doing thousands of all the warzones can get bland this event is somewhat of a breath of fresh air to PvPers since this area was implemented to them.
Why?

It's nothing new. There alway was Outlaw's Den. And contrary to Illum, no PVEer is forced to enter The Den.
But I never saw any notable number of PvPer hanging out there.

No, my impression still stands that the illum gankfest happens because the quests provide the gankers with easy prey.

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cycao
05.28.2013 , 06:54 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by ClavisN View Post
Why?

It's nothing new. There alway was Outlaw's Den. And contrary to Illum, no PVEer is forced to enter The Den.
But I never saw any notable number of PvPer hanging out there.

No, my impression still stands that the illum gankfest happens because the quests provide the gankers with easy prey.
Their are no mission that reward warzone commendations other than random chests that you find in outlaws den. This area was created for the PvP community. I love the tears it feeds me, gives me focus. The fact that people complain about a PvP FFA area where PvP has happened makes it clear to me why things are going carebear for PvP.