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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Jeweledleah
05.27.2013 , 04:20 PM | #71
I'm of mixed feelings on that...

on one hand, having rerolled my shadow as sage and losing all the unlocks I bought on her, not to mention - a loyalty pet, i could have used that AC change - if only to have an opportunity to keep those no longer available rewards.

on the other hand, I personally wouldn't want it to become something easily and constantly done.

one time use or very long cooldown and a relatively high cost, I think I could live with.

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 04:25 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You've heard it 100 times before and you'll hear it 100 times again every time someone whines about some game feature or potential game feature which has no affect on them or their characters.
Don't you mean we'll have to hear it every time someone wants something else handed to them for little or no effort?

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LordArtemis
05.27.2013 , 04:26 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
I'm of mixed feelings on that...

on one hand, having rerolled my shadow as sage and losing all the unlocks I bought on her, not to mention - a loyalty pet, i could have used that AC change - if only to have an opportunity to keep those no longer available rewards.

on the other hand, I personally wouldn't want it to become something easily and constantly done.

one time use or very long cooldown and a relatively high cost, I think I could live with.
This is the suggestion that I had made.

Reselect advanced class - Only allowed when class story is concluded. All points are naturally refunded.

It would cost CC to use, have a 15 day cooldown and all of your current gear would be removed from your toon. This way you could not sport heavy gear in a class that uses medium, etc.

Dual spec - Allowed when you choose your spec onward, but open use is only allowed after you conclude your class story.

Before your story conclusion dual spec would be restricted to use inside heroics, flashpoints, operations and warzones UNLESS the groupfinder tool allows you a free spec swap while qued to fill missing roles. It would be a permanent unlock feature, allowing you to save a particular setup...it saves point allocation and bar locations of specials but not gear setup. it would have a one hour cooldown, and would cost either EC or CC.

After conclusion of your storyline you are unlocked to spec swap any time you wish.

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schmel
05.27.2013 , 04:32 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by SW_display_name View Post
I don't want to be insensitive, in case you have a reading-comprehension disability. So I'd just like to politely encourage you to find outside help to read you the OP, especially the giant quote box where the lead developer says "Yes, that will probably happen".

Let's think about your claim.

We'll begin with the generous assumption that every month, 1 of 8 classes becomes the new "flavor". We'll also assume that each class has an equal chance of becoming this flavor and ignore similarities between 2 same-class ACs which can also lead to similar weaknesses in the current metagame.

Since you are already one class, you have a 12.5% chance of not even needing to AC change! So we can discard 1 class because that's you (wave at the camera!) and you might be lucky and become OP for a month!

Thus, we'll decide that there are 7 other classes that might become more powerful and appealing to you than your current class, every month.

You can AC change to exactly one of them.

Thus, you have a 14.29% chance of being able to impulsively become the new FotM class every month, while retaining about 25-30% of the same skills and tools you would have had if you didn't change.

I am sceptical that this is a significant or gamebreaking development.
Get your logic out of this forum! Seriously though, without taking a stance on the issue, I wanted to take a minute to commend you for calmly and cogently presenting a reasonable question, appropriately sourced, and patiently not sinking to the level of the trolls and "die n00bs die" l33ts.

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schmel
05.27.2013 , 04:35 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Once again that quote comes up, as proof that class changes are definitely coming, despite the fact that nowhere in that quote do they say that class changes are definitely coming. The term was not even "probably", it was "likely". You can argue that these two are the synonymous, but they aren't really.

I'm still not convinced that the devs are really even considering adding class changes. I think the devs know that if they come out and state definitely for one side or the other, that it will likely cost them significant subs and income, as the "losing" side will likely see many people leave the game. There are those that feel strongly enough against class changes that if the devs allow them, those players will walk away, never to return or spend another cent on this game. The opposite is also true. There are those who are so opposed to the effort required to level another character, that if they cannot swap AC's they will simply stop playing, as their AC has been nerfed, the other AC buffed or simply because they chose the easy mode leveling and now cannot fill their desired end game role.
like·ly
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I hereby call you out on consistently trolling a variety of threads, general rudeness, and an overall lack of helpful or positive posts relative to your substantial player-directed negativity.

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Jeweledleah
05.27.2013 , 04:35 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
This is the suggestion that I had made.

Reselect advanced class - Only allowed when class story is concluded. All points are naturally refunded.

It would cost CC to use, have a 15 day cooldown and all of your current gear would be removed from your toon. This way you could not sport heavy gear in a class that uses medium, etc.

Dual spec - Allowed when you choose your spec onward, but open use is only allowed after you conclude your class story.

Before your story conclusion dual spec would be restricted to use inside heroics, flashpoints, operations and warzones UNLESS the groupfinder tool allows you a free spec swap while qued to fill missing roles. It would be a permanent unlock feature, allowing you to save a particular setup...it saves point allocation and bar locations of specials but not gear setup. it would have a one hour cooldown, and would cost either EC or CC.

After conclusion of your storyline you are unlocked to spec swap any time you wish.
reselect advanced class as you described it? yeah i could live with that personally, minus the whole gear removal deal (because some of us wear adoptive gear with some of that adoptive gear being rare and expensive) although. I would still prefer it if it was a one time only change.

when you say dual spec - do you mean AC switch, or just saving presets for different setups within single advanced class?

if its first? no, i wouldn't like that at all and I hope they don't implement it that way. in part because it removes the gravity of making advance class choice in a first place, increases gear bloat (and potentially loot drama), and last but not least makes it even more likely that you run into people who are essentially ballast as they can neither play their class properly, not have the correct stats for it.

if its the second - then it would be nice, as long as current functionality of being able to switch talents whenever you want to whatever you want (aka field respec) is also preserved.

switching AC's is not like switching from playing WoW warrior to priest, since there are a lot of abilities, especially early ones that are shared between AC's, but its closer to that then switching between shadow and holy (which is what current field respec is, essentially)

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schmel
05.27.2013 , 04:37 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Why is it when people want something and want it handed tot hem without effort, that they fall back on the "I want it and it won't affect you, so I should be able to have it".
When you repeat it like that, without actually refuting it, it just makes that argument seem even stronger.

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Hizoka
05.27.2013 , 04:42 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
They also said there'd be more class stories. Obviously, things change.
yeah and you prove how simple minded you are... they said for Mekeb there were no class stories, they never said that there wouldn't be any in future content.

are you honestly that simple? that one new planet doesn't involve a class story it means they are over forever?

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ForsakenKing
05.27.2013 , 04:43 PM | #79
i hope this never happens.

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 04:45 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by schmel View Post
like·ly
/ˈlīklē/
Adjective
Such as well might happen or be true; probable.

I hereby call you out on consistently trolling a variety of threads, general rudeness, and an overall lack of helpful or positive posts relative to your substantial player-directed negativity.
Since you seem to have a fondness for definitions, try this one:

Laziness-an aversion to work or effort.

This is the true predominate reason for wanting class changes, is it not?