Meta discussion on the PvP in the Gree Event

So if a label an operation with pvp, make it a pvp area where the players get automaticly flagged (but the operations group still cant attack each other, because they are a group), and reward the boss kills with warzone commendations, then it will be a pvp thing?

Are you really this shortsighted?

There would probably be 1 operations boss, then, and more than 1 group to fight each other so that the last group standing could kill the boss. Actually sounds pretty awesome to me, probably too problematic to arrange though, not to mention that many people like only pve or pvp and don't want to be forced to pvp in order to do the operation/just want to pvp and leave when it's over.

For the specific issue, for what it matters, my take is: they are badly designed pvp quests. The fact that they are pvp is not in discussion: they are marked as such, they are in an area that forcibly flags you for pvp and they have been advertised as such (one of the earliest comments on the issue was on a dev video hinting at new stuff coming that talked explicitly of an upcoming patch that would do something about world pvp on ilum). These are the facts as they stand and refusing them is a sign of stubbornness and possibly simply willful ignorance.
The point were a legitimate discussion could be held is: SHOULD they be pvp quest? Again, my stance is: as they are they suck for pvers and they are a sad excuse for pvpers. They suck so much for pvpers that in most cases you can safely go in the pvp area and solo the quests without any fear of pvp engagements. That on its own is a measure of their own failure. The old ilum pvp had a lot of problems but at least it was pvp mostly, except for the fact that by allowing the pvp component to be bypassed, many people chose to do that due to perfomance issues and general "unfun" factor of the zerg-farming.

Somehow, what i see is "the dev said 2+3 = 4, it was their intent from the beginning, and they say its equal, so it must be!"

Again, I see the goalposts moving down the field.

If the quest is labeled PVP there should be an expectation of PVP to be had while completing it. Period. It does not in any way matter what the quest asks you to do. None of the warzones have kill-X-players as an objective. Does that make a warzone objective PvE?

By your logic, the Outlaws Den pvp quest (Find open world PvP area on Tatooine) should be a PvE quest because it involves map exploration, and thats not an activity tied specifically to PvP.

Stop being disingenuous. PvP quests may require PvP activity.
Would have loved to have seen your reaction to the Rakghoul event, where killing one of the event bosses REQUIRED you to enter the Outlaws Den.

With the outlaws den, you are right, by design its a pve quest too. The finding it at least. And the warzones? No, they have no kill payer objective, but they have capture and hold objectives, AND you can loose there, if you do not fight. What can you loose on Ilum when you let people play in peace? Maybe you could gain some humanity too??

You see, your tought was, it should be altered, to be called pvp. The problem is, the "pvp" quests on Ilum, are not altered, they are plain pve quests put in pvp areas.

You see, your tought was, it should be altered, to be called pvp. The problem is, the "pvp" quests on Ilum, are not altered, they are plain pve quests put in pvp areas.
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Just a note to you

If the devs PROGRAMMED the game so that 2+3=4 -- then yes, it would be correct.

We are talking about a video game created and owned by a company. They have complete rights -- and if they call something a PvP quest, it is. If they put a PvE quest in a PvP area, ESPECIALLY if they mark the quest PvP -- you have the answer as to why it is PvP. They wanted it to be.

Since none of us are developers -- we try to explain using the arguments people are most likely to understand.

Somehow, what i see is "the dev said 2+3 = 4, it was their intent from the beginning, and they say its equal, so it must be!"

On one thing i agree with you fully. They are badly designed quests. On their type, we disagree.

So if a label an operation with pvp, make it a pvp area where the players get automaticly flagged (but the operations group still cant attack each other, because they are a group), and reward the boss kills with warzone commendations, then it will be a pvp thing?