Meta discussion on the PvP in the Gree Event

I'm awfully sorry, but you are completely missing the point.

I did not ask for reasons.

What I asked for was this :

Why this repeat of arguments ?.

I'm awfully sorry, but you are completely missing the point.

I did not ask for reasons.

What I asked for was this :

Why this repeat of arguments ?

And this is why I called this discussion "meta", what you do not seem to have noticed.



Thank you for fully proving my point.

Because you are repeating the same arguments again, too.

Point proven.

and this is the PvP mentality i just cant fathom... something fun... ganking/griefing lowbies that don't stand a snowballs chance in a blast furnace is somehow fun... do these same people get enjoyment out of kicking kittens and punching cancer patients?.. i mean really...

These arguments are repeated because they are so simple. it's a [PvP] Quest, in a PvP zone and people are surprised when they get ganked there? You really don't need to do the [PvP] quests, your helix components come from the [HEROIC] quest that can be done in the non-PvP area. Anyone whining about PvP in a PvP area should probably just do the PvE quests instead (which there are many more of than [PvP] quests).

and this is the PvP mentality i just cant fathom... something fun... ganking/griefing lowbies that don't stand a snowballs chance in a blast furnace is somehow fun... do these same people get enjoyment out of kicking kittens and punching cancer patients?.. i mean really...

Just because you insist the argument isnt valid doesnt make that the case.

It is a quest labeled PVP in a PVP area that grants PVP comms as a reward. Stop moving the goalposts and saying "bbbbbbut PVE style objective" ... it is clearly marked in every way a PVP quest.

So if a label an operation with pvp, make it a pvp area where the players get automaticly flagged (but the operations group still cant attack each other, because they are a group), and reward the boss kills with warzone commendations, then it will be a pvp thing?

Are you really this shortsighted?

Repetition itself is meaningless. Doesn't make the argument any less true or any less false.

It's usually more of a way to gauge how a faction sees an issue and whether there is consensus on the issue or not.
This, by itself, does not prove the speaker right or wrong (as can be seen in a lot of RL arguments on political issues or even some debates where science is involved, IE evolutionism vs creationism).

So the only thing you can gather from this is: one of the faction agrees at large on the issue at hand.

Are they right? Possibly, but it's beside the point.

For the specific issue, for what it matters, my take is: they are badly designed pvp quests. The fact that they are pvp is not in discussion: they are marked as such, they are in an area that forcibly flags you for pvp and they have been advertised as such (one of the earliest comments on the issue was on a dev video hinting at new stuff coming that talked explicitly of an upcoming patch that would do something about world pvp on ilum). These are the facts as they stand and refusing them is a sign of stubbornness and possibly simply willful ignorance.
The point were a legitimate discussion could be held is: SHOULD they be pvp quest? Again, my stance is: as they are they suck for pvers and they are a sad excuse for pvpers. They suck so much for pvpers that in most cases you can safely go in the pvp area and solo the quests without any fear of pvp engagements. That on its own is a measure of their own failure. The old ilum pvp had a lot of problems but at least it was pvp mostly, except for the fact that by allowing the pvp component to be bypassed, many people chose to do that due to perfomance issues and general "unfun" factor of the zerg-farming.