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Events bringing the trolls out from under their bridges, and how to fix it.

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Events bringing the trolls out from under their bridges, and how to fix it.

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AlrikFassbauer
05.24.2013 , 06:06 AM | #81
Let me fix this for you :

Quote: Originally Posted by Prisoner View Post
Not gonna lie, you guys. The tears of self absorbed, entitled and whiny PVP players too stupid or too stubborn to do proper PvE is totally my favorite part of the Gree Event.

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Stib_
05.24.2013 , 06:16 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by NrDLeipe View Post
your wrong there they are pvp quests you want that node to get the middle then fight for it, that part of ilum has bin pvp area since day 1 of this game and today it still is, dont like to pvp then dont go in a pvp area easy as that
Ok, let's look it from another way. In a warzone, if you lose a strategic point, or the ball, do you lose something? Yes, the match. On Ilum, if you let players to the pylon charger, to do their quest, do you lose something? No. So, are you an a**hole for not letting people there, who did nothing against you? In my eyes, you definietly are...

You see, if someone attacks you, it's self defense to attack back. If someone calls you names, and taunts you BEFORE you attack him, it's ok, they brought it on themselves. There is a player who does nothing against you, just goes around doing his thing, and you attack him for no reason. Just because you can do it. Possibly, after the defeat the player ask you to not do that again, and you attack him on sight again, what does that makes you?

My personal answer:
Spoiler

I think pvp and pve players have different answers to this question. And that is a major problem too.

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Pyrinoos
05.24.2013 , 06:25 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Stib_ View Post
You understand it right. The gankers/griefers are defending their position with "its a pvp quest, because its named pvp, and its in a pvp area, and rewards warzone comms", but they refuse to see, that the quest itself is by design a pve one, not a pvp one. So its a pve quest in a pvp area.
No the quest by design is a pvp one not pve. Ever wondered why the orbs explode when you die or when you cap the pylon? Why they, cough, damage other players? Because its a pvp quest designed for pvp.
The entire point of both pvp quests is to challenge pvpers to be able to complete mission objectives why constantly being under the threat of attack.
Honestly as a pvper nothing beats 2v4ing some pubs while also fighting a champion mob and the adds from the heroic.
As for the rest of the pve whiners, why are you there if you're so afraid to fight? You don't need comms, there are plenty of pve ways to get rep, why the heck are you in the pvp area?
Slade legacy on The Ebon Hawk

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NrDLeipe
05.24.2013 , 06:39 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Stib_ View Post
Ok, let's look it from another way. In a warzone, if you lose a strategic point, or the ball, do you lose something? Yes, the match. On Ilum, if you let players to the pylon charger, to do their quest, do you lose something? No. So, are you an a**hole for not letting people there, who did nothing against you? In my eyes, you definietly are...

You see, if someone attacks you, it's self defense to attack back. If someone calls you names, and taunts you BEFORE you attack him, it's ok, they brought it on themselves. There is a player who does nothing against you, just goes around doing his thing, and you attack him for no reason. Just because you can do it. Possibly, after the defeat the player ask you to not do that again, and you attack him on sight again, what does that makes you?

My personal answer:
Spoiler

I think pvp and pve players have different answers to this question. And that is a major problem too.
lol, if i let you cap middle were i need it 2 im gonna fight for it cause your in my way cause we BOTH need it at that same time, im not gonna stand in line till its my "turn" to take middle in a freakin pvp area ill fight for it if i loose i loose if i win i win, its PVP
Same for the node if i spot a node and some 1 else also he gonna have 2 fight for it winner gets the price ( node in this case )
The wrath of the empire knows no bounds
Ref link. http://www.swtor.com/r/C88CDZ

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Stib_
05.24.2013 , 06:42 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by NrDLeipe View Post
lol, if i let you cap middle were i need it 2 im gonna fight for it cause your in my way cause we BOTH need it at that same time, im not gonna stand in line till its my "turn" to take middle in a freakin pvp area ill fight for it if i loose i loose if i win i win, its PVP
So you admint there could be a peacful solution, but you choose not to do it that way. I think this supports my answer, thank you.

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AlrikFassbauer
05.24.2013 , 06:48 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by NrDLeipe View Post
if i loose i loose if i win i win, its PVP
So, you're carrying this thought school over into PvE now ?

This could be the reasoning going on inside of ninja looters, I begin to believe.

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NrDLeipe
05.24.2013 , 06:55 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Stib_ View Post
So you admint there could be a peacful solution, but you choose not to do it that way. I think this supports my answer, thank you.
you choose to step in pvp area then you marked yourself as a potential target, there is no peace in pvp only victory or failure
The wrath of the empire knows no bounds
Ref link. http://www.swtor.com/r/C88CDZ

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MindSpore
05.24.2013 , 07:10 AM | #88
The whole Gree event was poorly excecuted in general. The pvp area of Ilum was originally intended for open world semi objective pvp to take place, the big revamp that Bioware had fans of open world pvp excited only to be let down. Not only is the whole Gree business NOT a real pvp event, its a periodic mostly pve related event.. so once again Ilum is void of people while the Gree are off doing other things.

I assume the pvp side is free for all to avoid one faction having a huge advantage in numbers, usually more Imperial players than Republic, instead of coming up with a technical solution.. say making it a pvp event that happens every hour or so, and limits the number of combatants so neither side has an advantage in numbers, instanced area during battles for performance. Instead Bioware takes the easy route by making everyone hostile to eachother regardless of faction. This is a smack in the face of one of the major themes of the game, the ongoing conflict between the Empire and the Republic.

Just think if the development resources used to piece together the pve side of the event was instead used to give Ilum the pvp revamp that us players deserved.. yes deserved, large scale battles on Ilum was one of the features Bioware boasted for the game. As unlikely as this is to happen Ilum needs to be thought through once again.

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NrDLeipe
05.24.2013 , 07:16 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by MindSpore View Post
The whole Gree event was poorly excecuted in general. The pvp area of Ilum was originally intended for open world semi objective pvp to take place, the big revamp that Bioware had fans of open world pvp excited only to be let down. Not only is the whole Gree business NOT a real pvp event, its a periodic mostly pve related event.. so once again Ilum is void of people while the Gree are off doing other things.

I assume the pvp side is free for all to avoid one faction having a huge advantage in numbers, usually more Imperial players than Republic, instead of coming up with a technical solution.. say making it a pvp event that happens every hour or so, and limits the number of combatants so neither side has an advantage in numbers, instanced area during battles for performance. Instead Bioware takes the easy route by making everyone hostile to eachother regardless of faction. This is a smack in the face of one of the major themes of the game, the ongoing conflict between the Empire and the Republic.

Just think if the development resources used to piece together the pve side of the event was instead used to give Ilum the pvp revamp that us players deserved.. yes deserved, large scale battles on Ilum was one of the features Bioware boasted for the game. As unlikely as this is to happen Ilum needs to be thought through once again.
In this case it rly doesnt matter how many reps or empires there are you can attack all players, if an empire is trying to take middle ill still attack him and may the best player win and claim his price afterwards ( the capture of the middle )
The wrath of the empire knows no bounds
Ref link. http://www.swtor.com/r/C88CDZ

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Ghost_Spectre
05.24.2013 , 07:19 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Jenzali View Post
And this is where PvP and PvE players differ PvP players play for the love of the kill.
Here, fixed that for you.
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