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Concerns About Players Being Suspended

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Concerns About Players Being Suspended
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Master-Nala
05.23.2013 , 05:53 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
How can one prove they did not use dupes for credit gain?
You can't. This is solely Bioware's show. Like I told you in that other post, best to just wait and see what happens.

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Lominia
05.23.2013 , 06:01 AM | #62
I haven’t been banned but the issue i have here is, and i’ll take peoples word for it, that people have been banned and have no idea why.

They’ve been punished and given no details of the alleged crime. No one, other then Eric Musco (who i suspect has been told to fob us off while bioware look into the PR nightmare that they’ve created for themselves) really seems to know what’s actually happened, everyone’s just speculating.

Myself, or anyone else could in theory, log in today, happily play for hours, log in tomorrow and face a ban through something that bioware consider an exploit but in reality is possibly/probably a developer/ tester failing.

This could happen to any one of us at any time, making me question how long i’m going to sub for, which will be at completion of my main character questline, i think.

Maybe bioware can bring out an mmo called minority report where players can be banned for what they’ll do in the future. At least everyone would know where they stood.

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Alec_Fortescue
05.23.2013 , 06:24 AM | #63
This is a Czech film...

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Genocidalx
05.23.2013 , 06:32 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
This is a Czech film...
It's pretty cool to be arbitrarily banned without having the slightest notion why, especially by a company who you pay to provide you entertainment. And then, they try to squelch all dissent like it's some sort of communistic society. Something shady is going on and it needs to be brought to daylight, and I would encourage everyone to post about their bans/suspensions here and everywhere they can so people are aware of these malignant practices employed by Bioware.

People don't need to be guilty until proven innocent, and shadowbanned and squelched like criminals, especially because, in many cases, many people don't even know what's going on (me included - though, I was never banned). If using a mechanic provided by the company is considered an exploit, well, that's 100% the company's fault and they shouldn't attempt to defer blame for their incompetence towards the general community.

This is not a good way to run a company, and it emphasizes their pure nature of greed. I believe these outcomes are symptomatic of a greater concern growing within all big businesses among the world. Those of a fascist mind will certainly encourage and defend Bioware/EA for their latest efforts, but, in truth, people need to come together and bring this out into the light of day, and exact consequences so that EA/Bioware understand that they have tread dangerous ground.

Once and one time only.

Bring your complaints here, take them to reddit and every active website hosting an SWTOR community and, if you want to take it a step further, any forum concerning the activities and products of EA and Bioware.

Everyone, you have my permission to copy and paste what I've written, to be used with or without credit.

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Katalyst
05.23.2013 , 06:42 AM | #65
fascinating how its takes 15min for a Bware response to this thread

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=630945

and no info, week long bans and alledged perma bans from forums for this Collections workaround
ill call it a workaround cause its not an expliot using a function which has been in place since Legacy was intoduced

well done Bware

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Arlon_Nabarlly
05.23.2013 , 06:52 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaalin View Post
Pretty sure that's WHAT LEGACY WEAPONS WERE DESIGNED TO DO.
You are not correct. When the first legacy set came out and people started moving around bound items to their alts after a while the devs responded. What they said was that this was never intended, but they also were not considering an exploit and opted to just let it continue. It's kinda like how the bug with whispers going to alts has bumped their priority on building a real system for this.

Quote: Originally Posted by Turiya View Post
So, he has a BOUND crystal on one character that he can replicate via his collection and instead of unlocking it via cartel coins on another character uses a method which EVERYONE has been using to send BOUND crystals/mods/enhancements via LEGACY items to their other chars and people are getting perma-banned for it?

What the hell did BW think was going to happen when they introduced all this? It's not an exploit, it's using a process everyone has been using since legacy was introduced to send BOUND items between legacy characters. A process which BW implemented themselves.

This is BW banning people for the own f u c k up in not thinking about this method of moving items around after they bought in the new collections.

IMO they should be unbanning anyone they've been banned, giving them a free month and then patching the game to prevent this as they clearly don't want it to happen.
This seems to be the most logical post describing what's happening based on what I've read. My guess is this may put an end to legacy swapping of bound items via BoL items.

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DarkDajin
05.23.2013 , 06:55 AM | #67
Biowares current practice of not (sufficiently) informing the players on the TOS breach is against EU laws.

As stated in chapter 7 of the Code of EU online rights 2012. The consumers have a right to know in clear and plain language, what the terms are.

If in fact a paid service is being denied without a clear breach of the TOS and no restitution is being offered, Bioware is going against other laws.

As stated in chapter 8 of the Code of EU online rights 2012. Ie. Bait and Switch.


Hope that this realization that they are liable to claims, makes them step up and explain clearly what it is we are doing wrong according to the TOS.

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Kilora
05.23.2013 , 06:59 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDajin View Post
Biowares current practice of not (sufficiently) informing the players on the TOS breach is against EU laws.
As stated in chapter 7 of the Code of EU online rights 2012. The consumers have a right to know in clear and plain language, what the terms are.
If in fact a paid service is being denied and no restitution is being offered, Bioware is going against other laws.
As stated in chapter 8 of the Code of EU online rights 2012. Ie. Bait and Switch.

Hope that this realization that they are liable to claims, makes them step up and explain clearly what it is we are doing wrong according to the TOS.

First of all -- their policy is to NOT discuss it on the forums. Why? Because they don't have to. Everyone that was banned received an e-mail, and I guarantee they will clarify once everyone in the company knows the issue, and they confirm which bans were properly handed out.

I'm sure they will do as they've done before, and award any lost gametime to those who were IMPROPERLY banned. If you were banned for something considered an exploit, you have no legal recourse.

Believe it or not, I GUARANTEE they have a time-frame in which it is acceptible to offer a FULL explanation as to what is going on. By limiting this information, they limit the number of people who can continue to use this exploit.

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GillianS
05.23.2013 , 07:01 AM | #69
Bioware is just making things worse for themselves the longer they wait to rescind all bans, issue sub time credit and make a public apology.
Quote: Originally Posted by kirorx View Post
Now the subscribers are getting milked when they already pay and the F2P get an almost unplayable mmo.

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Alec_Fortescue
05.23.2013 , 07:02 AM | #70
They make a thread about the issue which is not locked but open - luring ppl to further discussion. :P