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Specism/Xenophobia in the EU and TOR.

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Specism/Xenophobia in the EU and TOR.

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-IceHawk-
05.22.2013 , 06:08 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Angedechu View Post
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On Earth, racism is clearly wrong (I'm summarizing here) because there are no such thing as Human ''races'' ....
Good to know...time to tell those biologists to stuff all that genetic research away... /FacePalm

The interesting thing about Slavery is that it exists mostly outside of the Republic and has existed from the earliest stages well on through Palpatine's empire and beyond. The issue with particular populations usually seems to be where they happen to be in reference to local and enforceable hegemonic influence.

Anyone near the Hutts is basically screwed...

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MSchuyler
05.22.2013 , 06:08 PM | #32
Wait a second here. We have a game whose main objective is to kill as many sentient beings as possible, including quotas to "Kill 40 killiks" or {Name of Bad Guys goes here}, where the objective is to blow up and destroy people and property, where murder and violence are prominent points of game play, where players kill each other on a regular basis, where weapons of greater destructive power are considered better, where the MORE PEOPLE YOU KILL the HIGHER LEVEL YOU ARE, thus desensitizing especially young people to violence in many forms,

and you're concerned over "specism" of species that are figments of the imagination?

That is just completely sick.

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NightBlizzard
05.22.2013 , 06:10 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Aelther View Post
That does not change the fact that she was not forced to do it in any way, she wanted to work there herself.
True - and I agree, but it was just irking me that everyone was referring to her as a Twi'lek - to me the two species look nothing alike.
"A large stack of credits does wonders for my affection level"

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Bytemite
05.22.2013 , 06:14 PM | #34
Double due to computer issues.

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Angedechu
05.22.2013 , 06:15 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Aelther View Post
That does not change the fact that she was not forced to do it in any way, she wanted to work there herself.
The population of Glee Anselm is not sold to slavers by the local government.

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Bytemite
05.22.2013 , 06:18 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Aelther View Post
Because all stories are about something bad happening. And people trying to solve their problems. No one ever writes about some dancer girl who works as a dancer by her own will and has no problems. Because it would be totally boring and it would not be a story at all without problems. But just because no one writes about those happy people, that does not mean there are none.
I mean look at news. News are mostly reporting bad things, because no one cares about good things. Should we assume that every single plane crashes and never lands safely, just because news only report crashes and never reports safe landings?
If all dancers would be slaves, then you would not have any dancing at all in republic space, cause slavery is illegal. But you DO have skimpy dancing in republic space (where slavery is illegal), which means twi'leks are dancing there by their own will.

And even then, the black suns and stuff are criminal gangs. They are not some political party of the republic senate. They do not belong to any faction. They should not be counted.
On Sith and Hutt sides, however, slavery is perfectly legal and everyone, including all political figures own slaves. In the republic, only criminals, who have not been caught yet, deal with slavery.
The Sith works with underworld slavers as well, as well as pirates and the Hutt cartel. Sith are okay with conquering a world and taking everyone slave, Republic isn't and made slavery illegal, but that doesn't mean there aren't slaves and slavers in Republic space, or that it doesn't count. Heck, it even exists as a dirty high level secret on Coruscant if that one Senator indicates anything.

As for your mechanic forced to do job comparing to forced strippers and the dark side of the sex industry, and that if people don't like the job they can get another one... No, sometimes they can't, because they're forced under threat of violence, can't speak the language, can't go to the police, don't have documentation, or all of the above.

There can be slaves dancing illegally in the Republic and there probably ARE because this stuff is often hard to prove or enforce and the slaves have obstacles to getting help ( that is their slavers). No one said all dancers are slaves, but logic dictates that there are some. It also does not follow that all people who are part of such a trade would necessarily be prosecuted. Corruption exists even in the Republic.

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Bytemite
05.22.2013 , 06:24 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
Wait a second here. We have a game whose main objective is to kill as many sentient beings as possible, including quotas to "Kill 40 killiks" or {Name of Bad Guys goes here}, where the objective is to blow up and destroy people and property, where murder and violence are prominent points of game play, where players kill each other on a regular basis, where weapons of greater destructive power are considered better, where the MORE PEOPLE YOU KILL the HIGHER LEVEL YOU ARE, thus desensitizing especially young people to violence in many forms,

and you're concerned over "specism" of species that are figments of the imagination?

That is just completely sick.
Logical fallacy: appeal to worse problems. Just because we express concern about one thing does not mean we have no concerns about the other.

Side note: I avoided a number of Killik related missions because they struck me as a tad genocidal.

Also 1/10.

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TheNahash
05.22.2013 , 06:35 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Bytemite View Post
Logical fallacy: appeal to worse problems. Just because we express concern about one thing does not mean we have concerns about the other.

Side note: I avoided a number of Killik related missions becausevthey struck me as a tad genocidal.

Also 1/10.
Actually no, because survival always trumps stereotyping.
Translated to real life stuff, if a group of people (let's call them X) was being hunted and killed would the fact that they are generally considered greedy/stupid/evil (stereotype) be as important as the fact that they are threatened with extinction?

PS: Although, I don't generally agree with the post you quoted. Too "tin foil hat".

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Bytemite
05.22.2013 , 06:37 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
Good to know...time to tell those biologists to stuff all that genetic research away... /FacePalm

The interesting thing about Slavery is that it exists mostly outside of the Republic and has existed from the earliest stages well on through Palpatine's empire and beyond. The issue with particular populations usually seems to be where they happen to be in reference to local and enforceable hegemonic influence.

Anyone near the Hutts is basically screwed...

Genetic research is not the same thing as racism, unless you mean the questionable "genetic research" where people are trying to prove their biases about how some races are "superior" to others. Which have negligible scientific value.

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Bytemite
05.22.2013 , 06:39 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
Actually no, because survival always trumps stereotyping.
Translated to real life stuff, if a group of people (let's call them X) was being hunted and killed would the fact that they are generally considered greedy/stupid/evil (stereotype) be as important as the fact that they are threatened with extinction?
Again, concern over one thing does not mean lack of concern over another issue. The argument was a red herring as well as a ad hominem. It was not a valid argument and is off topic.

I assume that they weren't being serious and were mostly attempting to derail the conversation. Generally accusing someone in an anonymous internet argument of being pro murder with no prior context to derive that conclusion from is not an indication of interest in the discussion.