Remove Premades NOW!

My two cents as a strict pug player which is worth diddly squat. I play a corruption spec healer and it's aggravating constantly facing the same pre-made groups day in and day out. I now have 20 wins and 104 losses in the last three weeks since I started to pvp again after taking a 3-4 month break from pvp. I find in a pure pug match I end up enjoying the matchs because I can survive longer then 10 seconds when I get into the thick of things.

When your constantly getting rolled by a pre-made weeks on end you start to think things are over powered but thats not always the true case. What happens is they have far better cordination because they can use a form of communication that is not available to a pug and thats a VOIP such as mumble, ventrilo or team speak. Because this allows them to communicate more easily they can make call outs, usually to those in the same guild and this will allow them to not over commit to one target over another.

I'd like to point out that your first bolded statement seemed to contradict the other; Last time I checked, MMOs with long GCDs and stat-RNG based mechanics take a LOOOOOOT of skill to push those buttons.

And man, all that gearing up. It takes so much skill to maintain higher stats than anyone else.

Team effort is what separates the baddies from the goodies. The reason a single person cannot walk into a team of baddies and carry them in an MMO is because it is team based. Play an FPS like call of duty, you'll be able to carry with a very generous weight capacity. On the other hand, play a game like Halo, it is more difficult to carry a team. Hard, but not as impossible as it is in SWTOR to reliably do it (There are few pivotal moments when the skill of a single player on a team will determine victory or defeat, but those happen in my experience in <10% of matches).

Believe me when I say if everyone on my team was me, then I'd only lose to premades with heals and tanks (because I usually play DPS). <--- Simply, the ability to kill your team before you kill mine each time nearly guarantees me a win in everything but huttball.

And to address the red, I'd like to see your information on that assertion; do you see people in premades who normally stomp you get not so great stats solo? Stats mean nothing to individual skill. Stats are purely showing performance, which is not at all equal to skill, or coordination, or teamwork. It's equal to your performance, which is influenced by that player's team's overall performance.

Take Usain Bolt and put him in a relay with slower runners against an average team. Even though his individual ability way outweighs every other person's, he will probably not win because the rest of his team is just that bad, and it is beyond his power to be able to substitute himself for all positions in the relay.

And while you may say, "But Zunayson, Usain's time will still be the fastest, showing he is the fastest, and his teammate's times will be the slowest, showing he was very skilled yet on a team of bads." While this is very true, combat in SWTOR does not work like that, especially when said class is a support role. Usually these baddies cannot for the love of God stay alive, so we all drop 1 by 1. The best swtor player may be good, but he's not good enough to solo 8 people unless we rewind to launch with 8 Lv 10 operatives vs a Lv 50 BM Focus Guardian with all cds up.

TL;DR you're wrong and bad.

Nerf team work in multi-player games! Right MEOW!

lol. Its hilarious to see how players state its skill and great teamwork they are able to own pugs XD

I think you guys completely missed the main problem -
1) even pugs are based on team play but on limited scale cuz u are going in blind and probably with people u have never played before. still both sides have to show some team play to gain victory. (unless its terribly unbalanced via classes etc.) - this means pugs are ok WHEN there is no premade on 1 side that usually just put the opposing side to terrible disadvantage

2) preamdes (ranked or non-existed premade vs premade in all brackets) are based on same teamwork. though u know u r going to face premade so that uber teamplay u have showed us vs. some random pugs is not enough usually. this kind of play require good teamwork majority of premades lack so they are afraid they would loose their epeen and instead of spamming emotes and yelling l2p they might be actually called names.

its just player mentality. most players do not look for challenge. "why we should try to fight vs. equal force when we can just roflstomp pugs?" its sad its happening in games and even in real life. and thing that makes me very sad panda is - people trying to justify it to not look stupid. instead of admit they are doing this for easy win and "fun" they call others bad, l2p, play pve...and posting how great players they are...as I said...its sad

Look, some people are indeed more skilled than others. And a team of these skilled players would annihilate a team of average baddies. These good players deserve to win. They don't deserve to carry pugs. In the same way, baddies don't deserve to be carried.

Someone already said that premades are not automagically given victory because of communication. They're right; they're given victory through individual ability coupled with teamwork because of communication. I wouldn't care about fighting equal force, in fact I'd rather do that myself, as long as I get equal teammates, too.

@Zunayson - u r right. still these "baddies" do not deserve to be mauled by premades no matter the skill of that premade. as I mentioned somewhere I do not know how that matchmaking process work but I saw some premades were pretty much avoiding each other.

look I do not state premades are bad. premades are great for this game and its shame ranked are boring and u r fighting against the same guys all over cuz majority prefer regular wzs. I just kinda do not like the idea of premade vs. randoms in same queue. it just obliterate any fun mostly. some players do not like to be smashed constantly, some players do not like to win single handed. last wz I pug we had 5 juggs, 1 sniper and 2 sins. we faced 2 scoundrels, 2 sages, 2 sentinels and guardian and vanguard. atleast we had some fun when juggs performed jump contest. cute to see 5 juggs jump at same time same happened when I joined wz with my 2 friends. but we faced some terrible commando zerg with maybe 2 different classes

I don't know about you but I think most people started as a pug. I mean I did and I didn't know anybody. When I hit 50 nobody wanted to play with my 13k recruit gear sorc. But the more I played the more people asked me to play. I think that is for majority of premaders. If people ask you to play and you refuse because of your stance as a PUG it is not the game's fault, but yours.

Last night we had a double premade with our guild and some new guild. We ended up losing that CW, but our 3 dps was top with 800k, 800k, and 650k and I had 1 mil+ heals, but our 2nd premade we had on our team the highest dps had 150k, and the other 3 did not even have 100k. Plus the fact that the sage in that guild had 75kdamage 50k heals. It is not premades that win games it is teamwork. Therefore premades will always have the advantage because of teamwork.

PS: WHO CARES ABOUT 1V1 IN A GAME WHERE IT IS 8V8. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN KILL SOMEBODY 1V1 DOES NOT MAKE YOU GOOD.

I started to roll on an RP server, I didn't rly have a clue at the start of this game where I should roll. The thing is, atm if Bioware would implement a separate que for pugs and pre-mades is that there would be no warzones at all. PVP is active enough in primetimes but besides that I better do something useful then try to que for PVP.

Again, the only solution to this problem is to either implement character transfers. Make a server for the PVP veterans that only want to play ranked and separate PVP servers where new players learn to know how to play the game in normal pre-mades with people they just met.

Another solution is cross server PVP but I think the way the servers and engine are build that this is not possible.

Is it bad that I, a casual PvPer (hardcore PvE and RP) occasionally feel I should group up with my guilders and have fun, or do something with someone I know? Not at all. Just because you got owned in your pig doesn't mean I don't deserve a social, fun, and friendly option of pre-made grouping.

Edit; damned auto correct. I hate having to post on the Forums through my iPad when out of town.

It isn't, but keep in mind that their are people who are hardcore in PVP, PVE and RP and like to play together with friends. The problem lies in the matchmaking, cross server PVP is what would be the perfect solution.