Remove Premades NOW!

The premade issue boils down to a lack of matchmaking. If you're really forming premades to play with your friends who rolls classes that represent the average class distribution in SWTOR you've an extremely high chance of getting 4 DPS. Those aren't the premades people are complaining about and certainly a 4 DPS premade offers no significant class composition advantage. One can argue such a premade is actually at a class composition disadvantage. You'd expect such a premade to have a fairly average winning %

On the other hand you got guys who never queues without at least 1 tank and 1 healer in every combination of 4 players. This is obviously a potent combination, and if that's all you ever do you'll be expected to have a very good winning % and consequently high rating. Such players, if matchmaking exists, should end up playing other good players and similarly constructed premades.

Most good premaders quit this game long ago due to lack of matchmaking. Good players who like to premade and have decent irls hate constant pugstomping.

Most of the top pvp premades on my server are full of bad players who when they rarely pug they stink it up. However, almost any dps in this game can do pretty well with heals/guards/taunts and almost any healer can do well with crossheals/guards/taunts.

The only time skill matters at all in an mmo is in near even matches where you personally are being pressured. Many of the current premaders avoid this at all cost.

I remember the days of getting 4 guys in BM gear when there wasn't even a Recruit set. You can probably fight 8 guys with just your 4 guys and still win, and that got old after the first time. I can't imagine how any respectable player would find that to be even worth playing. In fact it was very risky to run a premade if you had any pride at all, because you know if you won it's becase you had god mode gear compared to guys who might not even have Centurion gear. If your team somehow lost, then the joke's clearly on you.

In the time when 2.0 Bolster went in but before the various exploits were found, it was obvious that the normally unbeatable premades are now suddenly losing left and right. Of course I'm sure they blamed their teammates for sucking rather than themselves. The premades made a comeback with the augment exploit, but with this fixed again premades have not made much noise. The newest thing seems to be stacking heavy healers, except this is so easy to do, even PUGs are getting really good at it too so nobody is really rolling anybody but we sure have a lot of 20+ minute WZs snoozefests now.

premades are here to stay. whining about this has been going on for almost a year, and bioware has never once said anything about it. take the hint folks...

i think they need to nerf premaes in pve, too

the coordination is just too high. It shouldn't be fair that players should be able to use the tools at their disposal to coordinate their abilities to get a better gameplay experience.

Soa the Infernal One would be very happy if he didn't constantly get ROFL stomped by a pve premade of keyboard turning clickers.

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My guess is that there are some things that Bioware has decided not to change, like the current lootsystem and the premades. In those cases it does not matter with the community writing 10.000 threads and 100.000 posts

They still ask for player feedback though......

I'm pro cause my premade team that has a plan and voice chat can beat up pugs. It's like bragging that u beat up a 6 yr old........ These same ppl totally fail when they are forced to pug it. ie they aren't good at all, but it's the team effort and voice chat that makes them look good.

These baddies that need a premade to win vs pugs don't do ranked cause they fail there. If they were so good then why when you catch one alone they get stomped ez.

BW caters to baddies, just look at bolster. They won't disallow premades in random pvp cause they want these bad players to keep thinking they are good so they keep playing and keep buying cartel coins.

We all know they fail when forced to pug it . Their tears to BW are like honey to bees, so NO, BW will always allow them in EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULD'T.

Good, good.

Let the hate flow through you.

I still dont see why players have so problems with premade vs. premade and pug vs. pug queues. I understand people love to play with their friends. so they form premade and will fight vs. other premades. I think pug queue should be solo or 2 man grp. 3+ should be premade. also from my warhammer experience that queue coding is so great it will almost everytime match premade vs. pug in regular wzs. (like - 1 premade in queue + another 4 guys. on the other side 5 guys and 1 premade waiting for queue but is unable to join cuz there are only 3 spots left).

but I do not think they want to change queues. and I really hope they wont touch it cuz usually its just 1 half fixed thing and another 10 broken

as others said - premades join regular cuz they arent able to compete vs. other premades. simple as that. no need to hate them for it. they are just trying to participate in pvp the way that offers them some chance to win. no1 want to be owned.