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Jeweledleah
05.18.2013 , 12:33 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I understand.

Honestly, the class section of this forum contains some really really good guides. For each of the toons I leveled, the stickied threads at the top contained great data that helped me out.

For some more in-depth analysis of classes, the site mmo-mechanics is excellent. The people that post there love math and MMOs, and really spend a lot of time crunching numbers and figuring things out.
thank you for the suggestions, I'll refer to these sources from now on

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But yes, you do, because people with equally demanding schedules manage to — they're just more patient about it. In fact, these are the same people who write your guides — most are in college, have jobs, or both. My only issue was with saying "I can't learn it myself because I have a job, hobbies, and a life so stop bothering me!" — that is just flat-out wrong. You don't want to spend time doing it, and that is completely fine. But that's entirely a personal preference.
I'm going to give you an example, sort of a personal one. I like to draw sometimes. I enjoy it. I'm mediocre at it. and slow. so very painfully slow. its the reason why I don't draw very often. I do practice and I do get better as I practice, but I'll never be anywhere near professional level, let alone great artist level. sometimes I look at art of other people with great deal of wistfulness. most of the time, I collect tutorials they have created, guides, lessons and try to follow them, because it does help and it does allow me to improve more efficiently. learning shortcuts other people figured out, allows me to speed up my own drawings and as a result have an opportunity to draw more often.

like any skill - playing games is a little like that. some people are just better at it than others. some people learn faster, figure things out faster. others CAN figure out things on their own, but it takes them 10 times as long . and some people need help, period.

there's nothing wrong with it. and this is what I was talking about. if I were to try to figure out how each and every class works on my own, sure i could do that eventually. but it would take me far longer than someone else who has better knack for it, and it would definitely take me longer. to the point where I'd have to give something up.

I don't know how much clearer i could make it, really.

do you use datacron guides? flashpoint guides? quest guides? I do. because otherwise, my already slow leveling speed slows down to glacial and I don't get to see the stories I'd like to. because I run out of time.

this is part of the reason why I like it that in TOR quest rewards are specifically stated for your class and ONLy for your class. because they understand that figuring out what stats are good for you, can be daunting. so through quest rewards - they tell you.

and the thing is? even with dearth of TOR guides, it can still be difficult to figure out which guide is good, and which guide not so good. unless someone who knows better? helps you out and tells you.

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fire-breath
05.18.2013 , 01:02 AM | #182
Technicly the following stories are mostly not groupfinder (from the time before there was gf).

1st
I was doing the Hammerstation FP on SM. In our group was sentinel who acted very weird. Each time when the tank assigned a target to CC the sent started to attack that particuliairy target. He did the same when he marked something for CC himself. The whole fp went pretty decent nonetheless. When we arrived at the last boss the sent was performing very very poorly, standing in red circles, standing in the AoE blasterfire cone. The group decided to dump the sent and try to get a replacement in.

2nd
Once I saw a lv 50 sent (focusspecced) that was doing lousy damage. When I saw what attacks he did I noticed that he was wasting zealious leap, stacks of singularity were running out without him using forcesweep. All in all it was obvious that he didnt know his rotation well. To make it worse. He had loads of high endurence pieces because 'it gave him more HP to survive attacks'.

3rd
One time I was going into EC SM Z&T with a full guildrun. The raidleader actually requested a vanguard dps to attack from range. Truth be told, we only had 1 ranged with us. Suffice to say that we didnt made it (we were about 75% rakata-geared)

4th
Very recently I went into the FP lv55 with the rocked dude at the end with 3 friends. The fp was doing pretty good but that wasnt surprising as we all knew each other and were well geared. At the last boss the 3 friends decided to pull a prank on me and not breaking my shackles. After 2-3 wipes or so I decided to stand in closerange with my GS so that would break my shackles by accident. In the end we finally downed it, with me still shackled and waiting about 45 seconds till my cc breaker was off cd so I could break my shackles :P

5th
We went into EV HM for a gearing run. It was again a full guildrun. There was a commando dps participating that had issues with TS, so he went without TS. That part wasnt to bad IF he knew what to do. At the first boss, even though I clearly told him before hand to stack when we did stack, he refused to come. We even typed during the stackingphase to come and stack.
Sinse his gear was mixed with cunning, willpower tankinggear and other none commando dps gear his dps was terrible. It didnt helped either that he only used his hammershot (we assumed cause his ammo didnt dropped). Because of that we werent able to kill the boss so I swapped from my tank to dps.
At the infernal councel we decided to let the commando wait and do nothing, cause his dps wasnt great enough to kill his target. Even though we told him to stand there and do NOTHING, he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off, attacking every single councelmember he could.
One final weird thing, it was so though to actually gear the commando up. We tried to convince him that the pieces that dropped were better. No luck.

6th
To conclude a nice sentinel story again.
During doing some dailies I teamed up with a sentinel who clearly didnt know what to do. One off the things was that he used inspiration off cd. Allthough you dont need it on trashmobs its not a bad thing either. Bad thing was that he always used it AFTER we killed mobs, sometimes even with valourious call


OWH and FYI, that sent and raidleader from 1st till 3rd story? That was me. It took me quite long to figure out how to play it. This is my first MMO and never have been raidleader. Now I know what to do and what not to do. I consider myself a relalitve skilled SWTOR gamer. As told by other people, we all start out as newbies making stupid mistakes.
Lets hope that the people targeted by this thread will turnout okey.

Little addendum to the 3rd story. The guild where I was in didnt have any ranged dps except me. Also it was our 2nd time we tried EC SM. After I noticed on Mox that the vanguarddps was doing even less dps then the tanks I quickly decided to let him close range again and take the fearfull.

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SW_display_name
05.18.2013 , 01:32 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
like any skill - playing games is a little like that. some people are just better at it than others. some people learn faster, figure things out faster. others CAN figure out things on their own, but it takes them 10 times as long . and some people need help, period.
Yeah, that's fair. I understand where you're coming from — as much as I love gaming, I'm just not ever going to be one of the "pros" clearing Nightmare modes 2 days after release. I'm too clumsy. Everyone's skill is only relative.

Guides are definitely an awesome tool and, if we're being honest, I probably wouldn't have deciphered SWTOR so quickly if I wasn't already "trained" in MMO mechanics from years of playing WoW and reading the guides there. I guess it's human nature that it's easy to forget how much time you've spent learning something, once it feels simple to you.

If anyone had a recording of the first dungeon I ever ran in WoW, I'd probably do a Picard Facepalm™ for 20-30 minutes.

Sometimes, though, you try to give people advice and they either ignore you or become hostile. Like that Powertech I described — I whispered her to explain what she was doing wrong, and she thanked me for the tips. Then she kept doing it anyway... for the entire run. I asked again, and she said it was "just too hard to do it [my] way". In this case, "My way" was: "Please stop using Taunt and Grapple on cooldown".

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AlrikFassbauer
05.18.2013 , 12:51 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Kawabonga View Post
reading the tooltips takes a lot less time than reading a well made guide :/ that and anyway, skill comes with exercise not with reading a guide, i'm sure you know that since you play all ACs
Me, I DO read all of the tooltips - and I STILL don't understand most of the Jedi tree tooltips !

They are not very good worded to be made understandaby for non-geeks.

In Psychology, there are several ways of learning - in video games, however, I only encounter 1.
Apparingly game makers don't know much about Didactics.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
but I come from the time of game where you HAD to read book sized tutorial that came in a game box, you couldn't just jump in (and weren't expected to) and figure it all out on your own.
I remember these times.

If you want to see how this feels - then go to GOG, buy the "Realms Of Arcania" series and try to figure things out on you own.
It's difficult.

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DarthFamine
05.20.2013 , 07:23 AM | #185
Well I got one last night.....

Was on my op healer, picked up two marauders from another guild because they needed foundry for the HK part.

So we queue. it pops after about 5 minutes or so and we get a tank. during the opening convo he discos.
no big we wait a few minutes then finally vote him out.

clearing trash, one of the maras had a decent geared Broom so we were able to at least get that done.

After about five more minutes of this we get a 53 jugg. Now bear in mind both the maras are 55, and im 51.
The new tank does not speak, does not say hi even acknowledge us in any way. He has only 14k hp, the least of the group. He is very squishy.

All three of us keep taking aggro off him, he waited until I targeted a mob for cc then attacked it several times.
Broke cc i put on droids several times as well.

I finally had enough when we got to the named jedi after the big droid boss. I cced the pat well away from the fight before anyone else got there. He comes in, pauses. looks at the cced pat, then attacks it.

when he does he gets knocked back into the group of droids across the way.
He goes down faster than Lindsay Lohan's panties. One of the Mara's makes a heroic last stand while the other one runs and camos. All in about 10 seconds while I stare in slack jawed amazement at the screen.

I was done

battle stealth

vote kick

we all agreed.

just before he got kicked he finally said something in party chat.

the only thing he said to us the entire time

F*** you.


The poor guy probably didn't know any better, I do intend to see if I can help him out. He just needs to be taught.
"It might be fear, or anger, or hatred, or perhaps even suffering that makes a man fall to the dark side, but it is without a doubt regret, that keeps him there."
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Marvoussh
05.21.2013 , 02:09 AM | #186
I've read a lot of the stories here, sometimes even laughing out loud while reading I usually don't post stuff on the forums, but I just have to post something now.. It seems that lately more and more players don't know what to do..

At the fleet I see lots of jedi knights leaving off to coruscant without choosing sentinel/guardian, I also inspect a lot of people and I see lots of people wearing the wrong gear.(Jedi Sage with Aim/Cunning implant) Or tank players who can't aggro more than 1 opponent, healer players who heal at the most random moments, dps players who queue as tank, all issues already mentioned in this forum.. I don't pvp because my computer can't handle it, so I don't know what the situation is there, but in Pve it gets quite frustrating sometimes.. But I also think some people should show a bit of respect..

About 4 Months ago I hit lvl 50 on my Jedi Sentinel, and I remember that when I queued for Flashpoints I got kicked because of ''too low gear'', even before the casual 'hello's and hi's'.. I am still learning a lot in this game, I am not a native english speaker so some stuff takes a lot of time to learn. However, when I asked what was wrong with my gear/what I could do to improve my role in the group, I never actually got an answer.. Also people ridiculed me because I didn't have any artifact gear, and because of the way I looked.. It was very surreal, and to be honest I really didn't know how to get better gear than tionese.. I didn't even know it was possible.. I just assumed that everyone with +20 k of hp had pvp armor.. So yes I was a big noob, about the biggest to have ever roamed the server I think...

But now I'm level 55, and I have full basic gear, and already 2 elite pieces.. I hope to do my first ops in a few weeks, I am preparing for it by reading a lot of info about the various ops levels, and I just want people to give some respect for players who are low geared/don't know what to do.. If you run into someone who doesn't speak english well enough, direct them to the fleet where they can find a guild of their native language.. If someone has too low gear, explain what is wrong about the gear and if needed, where to get better gear.. Do you see someone with the wrong implant, tell them.. This game can be very confusing to new players, sometimes it still is confusing to me, even tough I played this game for over 9 months.. And by just kicking someone without explanation you only make the problem worse.

One time I took a undergeared sage to the black hole daily area and did the whole daily run with him just to explain what he should do.. He didn't even know what to do at the blue gass mission, he just ran into the gas towards the leaks in hope of making it somehow.. He had items with strenght/aim in his gear, and I told him that was wrong.. I guided him to the fleet after the black hole daily run and helped him find a guild in his native language so he could be helped there.. Now I sometimes see him on black hole, doing the run by himself.. It gave me goosebumps..

I think more people should be a bit more nicer to each other.. I mean, you don't have to drag beginner players to the fleet and explain everything to them, but just take a minute or so of explainging them at least something thats wrong about their gear/role in the group.. For you it takes 1 minute, for them it means much much more..I love this game, I didn't call anyone by their names in this post because I don't want any people to get insulted, just wanna post my story here.

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xBenouze
05.21.2013 , 04:16 AM | #187
You're right but sometimes it's hard to hav enough patience ...
I am currenttly on my new character, operative healer lev 31 so i run all the sm FP, yesterday i learned a tank to put his guard on someone.
But on those low levels FP, it s hard to keep patience when ur used to 55 FP and ops where people know pretty well their classes and specs.
Yesterday i ran cademimu, one of the dps was jumping on every packs, i let him die and explained him that it is the role of the tank to aggro mobs, as it s easier for me healer to take care of one personn instead of 3, he just answered me "take it easy" ... ok ...
after that we kill Chewbacca and his jawas and a cunning loot comes, (i was the only one in cunning), so i put "need", it was a bit better than what i had.
And there, one of the dps put need also, when he was in willpower, i yell "are u *********** joking, why do u need on a cunning loot ???"
He just answered me "to mod it u idiot" and show me the loot with willpower mods in it ...

I just left ...

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Marvoussh
05.21.2013 , 07:46 AM | #188
@ xBenouze Yes, I agree with you.. I can't believe I forgot to mention the loot needing in my message , that has got to be the most annoying subject out there.. Good to read that there are more people out there who sometimes help people out, instead of kicking them out without explanation! I completely understand why you quit the group, I would've done the same, some people are just impossible

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Michirure
05.21.2013 , 03:04 PM | #189
We had a sentinel in a 50+ group who refused to use his second lightsaber. First he had both, but after a couple of mobs only one equiped. The tank noticed first and asked very politely where his second weapon was.

"I LIKE IT SO" the sentinel said (yes in capslock). Tank said, "well, but with both you'll do more damage!"
Sentinel capslocked: "I DON'T CARE". We didn't kick him and let him have his way, but this was so weird.

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ckoneful
05.21.2013 , 03:46 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by SW_display_name View Post
Yeah, that's fair. I understand where you're coming from — as much as I love gaming, I'm just not ever going to be one of the "pros" clearing Nightmare modes 2 days after release. I'm too clumsy. Everyone's skill is only relative.

Guides are definitely an awesome tool and, if we're being honest, I probably wouldn't have deciphered SWTOR so quickly if I wasn't already "trained" in MMO mechanics from years of playing WoW and reading the guides there. I guess it's human nature that it's easy to forget how much time you've spent learning something, once it feels simple to you.

If anyone had a recording of the first dungeon I ever ran in WoW, I'd probably do a Picard Facepalm™ for 20-30 minutes.

Sometimes, though, you try to give people advice and they either ignore you or become hostile. Like that Powertech I described — I whispered her to explain what she was doing wrong, and she thanked me for the tips. Then she kept doing it anyway... for the entire run. I asked again, and she said it was "just too hard to do it [my] way". In this case, "My way" was: "Please stop using Taunt and Grapple on cooldown".
I still remember the first dungeon I ran in WoW... I somehow got a level 44 killed in deadmines and was kicked from my group and guild.

Good times.
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