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PvP Community's Plans for Server Transfers

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PvP Community's Plans for Server Transfers
 

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DarthBror
05.17.2013 , 10:33 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by ML_DoubleTap View Post
Yeah, that's certainly understandable. Unfortunately, fair or not, Guerilla and the like tend to live under a microscope given their elite status on the server.

Like I said, I've enjoyed your comments on the forums in the past and was in no way trying to be negative towards you. Just explaining from my point of view. I've always tried to be friendly in games and it generally blows up in my face w/ most of that crew.
+1 totally understand. I hope that we can all move forward and really create a better PVP atmosphere on this server.

It can be done.

It will be people like us, who get on here and hash the **** out. Complain and call each other out. In the end.. the King and Pawns all go back into the same box, but we are all part of the same community.

The time has long passed for us to bury the hatchets of our indiscretions.
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DarthBror
05.17.2013 , 10:36 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by ML_DoubleTap View Post
^ This... Maybe coming from someone else it will get across. I wasn't trying to be a d*ck...I always say good game, and I lose more than I win . Heck even in out of shape, old man, beer league softball...one of my competitive outlets...we shake hands with teams we don't necessarily get along with and tell them 'good game' regardless of the outcome.
+1....
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DarthBror
05.17.2013 , 10:41 AM | #93
Didn't mean to offend anyone with the Kings and Pawns comment. Im an old school chess nerd and its a figure of speech meant to illustrate good bad or indifferent we all belong..
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JasonNH
05.17.2013 , 10:46 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by ML_DoubleTap View Post
^ This... Maybe coming from someone else it will get across. I wasn't trying to be a d*ck...I always say good game, and I lose more than I win . Heck even in out of shape, old man, beer league softball...one of my competitive outlets...we shake hands with teams we don't necessarily get along with and tell them 'good game' regardless of the outcome.
I think that's just part of the difference between being able to look someone in the eye after competing publicly and in person, versus having to deal with keyboard warriors who are safely insulated in anonymity on the internetz. They aren't worth the trouble IMO. I like the perspective you bring to this discussion, BTW. I wish there were more like you.
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ML_DoubleTap
05.17.2013 , 10:49 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthBror View Post
Didn't mean to offend anyone with the Kings and Pawns comment. Im an old school chess nerd and its a figure of speech meant to illustrate good bad or indifferent we all belong..
No offense at all, I knew what you meant, I used play chess too. My college house had a chess set that had shot glasses for all the pieces...talk about levelling the playing field
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Vintal
05.17.2013 , 10:51 AM | #96
Let's take a stroll down memory lane. Once upon a time in a magical place there was a server called Sanctum of the Exalted. I was in a guild called Hand of the Republic. Along with Grimmlok, Tak and Dizeren. We queued with a lot of different people on the Republic side and met a lot of good PvPers. This is where we met Jevi and Bay (Helalin at the time). Conflicted Loyalties was created to have a place for Imperial alts to PvP and try to help out the other side when they were often getting wrecked. This is where we were in the same guild. Most of us were spread around throughout other guilds on the Republic side.

As for this:
Quote: Originally Posted by ML_DoubleTap View Post
I couldn't remember if they had changed their name to GG or not when we were still on SoTE. I'm pretty sure they had a few different names aside from just GG and S6 as well. Also, they had their imp guild Conflicted Loyalties..which was basically a name mocking the fact that several people were upset they were kill trading on Ilum or /saying with Imps while running the race track instead of actually fighting.

From Tor'barr's list of core GG players:
Core Game Genie:
Manlio- Core Game Genie
Peyton-Core Game Genie/Mostly gone
Jevi-Gone
Tuvor-Gone
Dizeren-Gone
Bay-Recently back
Demetri-Core Game Genie
Arina- Core Game Genie

Maybe I just don't remember them, but I'm pretty sure Manlio, Peyton, Tuvor, Demetri and Arina didn't come from SoTE. Could certainly be that I just don't remember the names though. Not that it really matters, but I guess my hope with those original transfers/mergers was that a balance of power would happen rather than further consolidation.

Edit: I will admit that while Conflicted Loyalties rubbed some the wrong way at least back then those folks would switch sides when it seemed there was a faction imbalance of skill queuing. Now, it seems that people just swap to the side that is winning. I've seen all to often a GG/S6/(Insert Good Player Here) alt pop on to the Imp side after getting stomped on the pub side. At least the Conflicted Loyalties/GG of old would go where the challenge was rather than taking the easy road.
Eventually what happened was we were doing nothing but queuing for PvP and Jevi decided to create Squad Six on the Republic side. The name came from Jevi pushing the six button on his keyboard, which was smash. It had nothing to do with Navy Seals, despite popular belief. One by one people left whatever guild they were in and joined it. We were only playing together anymore anyways and it was a no brainer decision.

We switched the name to Game Genie one day just because of sheer boredom and people always saying we are hacking and we grew tired of having to defend ourselves. No member of GG has ever hacked, this is fact. There used to be a guild named Your Companion. This guild hated us with a passion and one of their members reported our guild name and during a huttball match the guild was renamed by a GM to "Jevi Guild". Squad Six came back.

Once we transferred to the Ebon Hawk we decided to rename again to Game Genie and see if it will stick, it did. We met a lot of good people on this server. The first people we met were The Code. We quickly became friends with Shamaya, Kincaid and a few others. When ranked came out this was true that we didn't really have enough to queue a full team at times. So we asked friends to queue with us. This wasn't because we thought some of our members weren't good enough or anything like that. This was a timing issue and for me i could only do ranked games Saturday through Mondays because of my work schedule. Which i mainly only did during Monday nights.

Once we first started doing ranked games, the first guild we came across was Broken Chains. They were basically our equals. Those matches were fond memories and we had a lot of amazing matches. We quickly became friends as we had a lot of respect for each other.

Things happen in MMOs and players leave. There isn't a contract like in sports where you are playing there until it expires. Players on both sides of the ball left, myself included when Guild Wars 2 came out. Some players came back (myself), but a lot of players either left for that game or Diablo 3. This happens. When i came back The Code, Game Genie, Resistance and Broken Chains had successively merged their remaining members (except for a select few that decided not to.) Hey all of my friends are in one guild and there is new people, it was an exciting time and here we are at a new exciting time with server transfers.

As of late Guerrilla and Game Genie have continued to lose members to other games and RL. So we made it an open policy for our guilds to share each others members on either side.

We have not made a final decision on where we are transferring and who we are transferring, but know this at least for the time being: Game Genie and Guerrilla aren't going anywhere and these threads just make us a little bit stronger.

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Omophorus
05.17.2013 , 10:56 AM | #97
If the *********** scrub-*** morons queueing today are in any way representative of what server PVP will be like once Gamepirella takes off, I'll be on the next train to "anywhere but here".

There have been some more-or-less legit complaints about them in this thread, but it is becoming increasingly clear that there is NOT a great number of other talented PVPers with any real competitive spirit. At least not enough to make PVP fun.

Even worse, there is a shocking proportion of utterly clueless *******s who probably can't even walk and chew bubblegum, much less make any serious effort to win a WZ.

It is not fun to watch people repeatedly ignore objectives to deathmatch. It is not fun watching people FAIL at that. It is not fun to be the only player on the team with any appreciation whatsoever of what tactics win warzones, and make any effort at executing them.

There is nothing less fun than losing, and the folks in Gamepirella are pretty much the only ones to openly admit that and behave accordingly.
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Barantos
05.17.2013 , 10:57 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by FeralPug View Post
<Hex> doesn't have a plan yet, as we're waiting to see how transfers are implemented first. Once they go live, we'll make a decision as a guild to make sure no one gets left behind.

I'm guessing (based on informal conversations with our members), that we'll be moving to POT5.

Many ask PVPers on TEH why they chose TEH over PVP servers. I can only answer for myself. I didn't plan on sticking with SWTOR for very long. I was guessing I'd play PVE for my first month, and quit. The PVP game really hooked me, and I've been playing only PVP since pre-launch access. I rolled on an RP server as I've found them to have more stable populations than other server types.

I think moving for ranked play is a mistake though. Currently, ranked is in a bad spot as the design of the WZ's hasn't scaled well with the changes to PVP. From what I've heard, post-2.0 ranked is mostly stalemates due to the strength of post 2.0 healer/tank combos. Even pre-2.0, ranked games were often stalemates. Now it's much worse. This is all based on what I've heard from players on other servers.

Additionally, holding an 8 player team together is nigh impossible. People are busy. Interest in the game comes and goes. It's really, really hard to field a consistent 8 players from week to week when you're in a small guild. Larger guilds have their own problems as folks get bent out of shape when they aren't on the "A" team. It's a complicated issue, and I believe it comes down to the fact that ranked play is poorly implemented.

<Hex> would love to play ranked again, and I believe our best option would be on a dedicated PVP server. We wouldn't move just for ranked though. I personally want to be part of a community who shares a common love for PVP. I think our best bet would be to transfer.
I read this and it is something they really need to address. Getting, Succeeding, and keeping an 8 player team is pretty impossible in today's ultra casual MMO mentality. Gone are the days of the hardcore players, and we need something to make it easier to keep PVP alive. I would love to see arena's and possible 1v1 deathmatches set in an arena environment. While most games emphasize gear as rewards or gear currency. I would like to see possible credit/cash based games. How many more people would pvp if they could make significant credits doing it, as opposed to earning rewards for gear that are only good for pvp?

Seriously Bioware, start offering 500k credit prizes or escalate them based upon a player's rating. You know giving them 3:1 odds or something if you are the underdog.
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springerjkreb
05.17.2013 , 11:52 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Moontayle View Post
I... I had to take a minute to quote this, even though things have sort of gone off the rails a bit.

Sanctum PvP was... bad. Well, if you were an Imperial. My wife kept track. Over a period of about a week a few months before server transfers the win % was a consistent ~30%. Reason? Game Genie (or Squad Six as it were) but Pubs overall just had better players. While in Fallen Order we did our best to be competitive but Imp side in general just didn't have the juice to keep up. But I really just wanted to point out the selective memory you seem to be employing here. Game Genie originated on Sanctum and you bet your shiny hooha that they steamrolled over everyone and everything. When they weren't doing it on GG they did it on Conflicted Loyalties.

Sanctum PvP was the very definition of "trial by fire".
This may be a difference in experiences then. I played a smuggler and warrior up to 50 and constantly qued solo with both. I'll admit to plenty of dislike for Squad Six, but for myself, the w/l ratio was about 35/65 pregear, then it jumped to about 50/50, and I had fun. "Trial by fire?" Yup. I'll freely admit to losing my way into my gear. But I had fun, and to me that was what counted. I don't have as much fun with the current group. I preferred pre-50, and would often stop playing a toon all together once capped. It's better with the new bolster, but I want a community, not elite stomping pugs.
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TheronFett
05.17.2013 , 01:12 PM | #100
I love some of the chest puffing in this thread, especially from the Gorillas. You have some good players and a couple great ones. But the rest are FOTM spec type players (Pyro PTs, Derpsmashers, CC/Heal hybrid) whatever happens to be king of the hill at the moment. There are some great players on this server like Arash, Amber, and Dashto to name a few, who are able to bring it no matter what (even in PUGs). But you damn dirty apes...well, it's power in premades or no dice.

Truth is, there are no special snowflakes among you. Get over yourselves.