PvP Community's Plans for Server Transfers

I do think its mind-boggling how when Game Genie rolls into a match against anyone, including some of the better PVP guilds on the server, it becomes nothing short of a massacre.

What I would love to see is for these guilds, such as Game Genie, Empire, and Guerilla to open their recruitment doors a little wider to those new players, such as myself who want to learn true PVP from those who have clearly mastered it.

No problem at all with you, or anyone, being friends or cross-guilding. Mort was poached, plain and simple. I know that he was approached by some of the Guerilla leads after queueing with you guys. I have no problem with this. No one in Pax does. Was I or anyone else saddened by our friend's departure? Yes, of course we were saddened and disappointed. But that is a part of life and we all wear big-boy pants.

All it takes is 1 player to make or break a Ranked team and their chances to win.

Again, there is nothing wrong with poaching/inviting. I've talked to Sifter about applying to Pax Gaming when he confided that his guild's PVP was pretty awful and he was considering leaving for a PVP guild. Well, he left the game entirely. I might not call notifying him of 'open recruitment' as poaching, but others from his guild might.

/stuck is an exploit (and therefore a cheat) if you are using it NOT AS INTENDED. I used a sports and PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) because they are considered a form of cheating. Maybe you're a fan of Barry Bonds and Mark Maguire and think that they should get to keep all of their big records, I don't.

Here is the definition via Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(online_gaming)

You can argue that exploits are not cheats and I'll argue that the Sun revolves around the Earth, that'll get us far.

Now you got me curious, please elaborate.

He's gonna whip out his sexy voice.
"Nadiiiiiir, come into my lair."

Welcome to the club. There were days I'd go 20 games with just one win. I consider myself a competent player...don't care what others think...and it could get frustrating going on these runs.


My first post in this thread I tried to keep it civil and give my opinion that the transfers will be best for both sides. I find it ironic how many people here are saying many of the same things I did a few months ago and gave me a hard time for it...that's all I'll say on the matter. I never tried to be malicious to anyone else in describing what I saw wrong w/ the pvp community but it was usually taken that way. Honestly in my younger days I probably would have found myself acting the same way and forming some of the 'super teams'. But, now I can see it for what it's worth and understand that it just kills competition.

As far as poaching talent, I'm pretty sure that Game Geanie wasn't even a thing prior to original transfers. I know Diz had a really strong group on SoTE...can't remember their name, but I know it changed a few times. But when transfers happened instead of some of the better players trying to form competitive teams with their original server guilds they slowly began to merge and create small pockets of talent. Maybe it was out of necessity because their guilds had lost members or became to small, but it was a shame to see the skill gap between guilds become larger and larger as more folks got sucked up.

Anyways, I used to let it bother me...now, I just go in and have fun and try to be polite to both teammates and opponents alike. Apparently that's a bad approach too as I get told to "F off" for saying 'gg' to a group of Guerilla members I guess the game is only fun when you're winning. Attitudes like those are another reason that opinions have soured on some of these guilds. I know that not all members have these attitudes but coming across them quickly paints the entire guild in that light. When teamed up with these folks they seem too good to even talk to the rest of the team. There are only select members of GG that ever talk in /ops... I assume they are only talking in Vent/TS/Mumble/whatever and they just assume that those grouped with them are so far below them they won't bother. I try to be friendly in games with them and it generally is talking to a brick wall as they don't even reply. Not all...but again it just takes a few bad apples. I will say, Athena, Dizeren and Peyton stand out as a few that have always been kind when teamed up.

I tend to only tell my own teammates GG. It isn't a GG when you absolutely destroyed the other team and tell them GG, some people have yet to catch up on that point. What is a GG for one side is total rape for the other.

Game Genie was also known as Squad Six on Sanctum. Same guild, same players (mostly). When transfers happened they got other players. I was approached by Dizeren to join him, Jevy, Bay, (I think Braddock was a founder too), Matter-healer and a couple of others when they were still only forming Squad Six (which later became Game Genie). For me personally, I like the community nature of Pax Gaming, and there are other benefits besides winning WZs, that outweighed my enjoyment of PVP so I declined.

One other thing Sithus. Some guilds, such as Pax, have an open recruitment policy. I'm pretty sure that none of the top-end PVP guilds such as Hex/GameGenie/Guerilla/Empire have open recruitment (don't know anything about Team One/Inconceivable). When you bleed players to rerolls and unsubs you either atrophy in the long run or you find a way to get good players. From my experience the aforementioned guilds only recruit the top-notch players. When is the last time you saw an unguilded elite player? So it follows that you HAVE TO use a poach recruitment tactic so that the player pool doesn't run dry. It is what it is.

Eh, I say good game everytime...it's a sportsmanship thing I learned growing up in organized athletics I suppose. Usually it's after getting stomped myself, so I guess I don't think much of it the few times my team beats "Gamepirella" or whatever. After a game of basketball I didn't tell the other team to f*ck off instead of shaking their hand after we lost. I suppose I shouldn't have expected much of a positive reaction when the majority of time they're /laughing or /dancing as they walk all over PuG teams, though.

I couldn't remember if they had changed their name to GG or not when we were still on SoTE. I'm pretty sure they had a few different names aside from just GG and S6 as well. Also, they had their imp guild Conflicted Loyalties..which was basically a name mocking the fact that several people were upset they were kill trading on Ilum or /saying with Imps while running the race track instead of actually fighting.

From Tor'barr's list of core GG players:
Core Game Genie:
Manlio- Core Game Genie
Peyton-Core Game Genie/Mostly gone
Jevi-Gone
Tuvor-Gone
Dizeren-Gone
Bay-Recently back
Demetri-Core Game Genie
Arina- Core Game Genie

Maybe I just don't remember them, but I'm pretty sure Manlio, Peyton, Tuvor, Demetri and Arina didn't come from SoTE. Could certainly be that I just don't remember the names though. Not that it really matters, but I guess my hope with those original transfers/mergers was that a balance of power would happen rather than further consolidation.

Edit: I will admit that while Conflicted Loyalties rubbed some the wrong way at least back then those folks would switch sides when it seemed there was a faction imbalance of skill queuing. Now, it seems that people just swap to the side that is winning. I've seen all to often a GG/S6/(Insert Good Player Here) alt pop on to the Imp side after getting stomped on the pub side. At least the Conflicted Loyalties/GG of old would go where the challenge was rather than taking the easy road.

I always knew there was something fishy going on here. I can't tell you how many times I'd be standing at mid with a Guerrilla premade about to score, furiously spam-clicking the area that the ball spawns in. Like my pimp hand, I keep my clicking finger strong. And without me being stunned or controlled in any way, one of them walks right up and grabs it.

As for the rest of this thread.....
/popcorn

I tend to solo que unless friends are on, which means most times I'm pugging it.

The school-yard posturing and egos I will not be sad to see go. Maybe I'll finally do some PvE if PvP dies after all these people leave, but I highly doubt this will kill PvP.

My thought as well. I've actually been seeing more people from my guild queue just due to the new Bolster system because games are generally more competitive. Competitive games are fun...with some of the most hardcore planning to find like-minded individuals I see games here becoming more and more competitive. Like I said on page 2...good for both sides

Ok, so I have been reading through this thread for about 10-15 mins now. I must say,,, As a the social butterfly I am, it may be in my best interest to stay in the cocoon on this one. However, as the Bi Polar belligerent stoner that the rest of you know.... I simply cant. lol.

As you may know, I am now with Guerilla. This has given me a unique insight, as I have now participated on both side of this coin. Ill say that the feeling in Guerilla's mumble is about as close to any other guilds as Ive participated in. Despite what people may think, No one is talking ****. Well at least about other players. (I talk more **** about **** than any of you anyway. So much so that I cant even keep my **** straight sometimes. lol).. The majority of the conversations are dictated by tactical discussions and debates about gearing. And yes rambling about unrelated ****.

As far as Mort getting Poached. I pretty much went out and asked to be poached. So is that poaching.. uggh. IMO... no. I did roll for several hours with Bay and a few of his buddies. After many WZs of epic facestomps I inquired about the state of PVP guilds. I expressed to him that I was interested in becoming involved in a more competitive guild and asked if he had any suggestions. The rest is history

Pax is a TREMENDOUS community.. I have nothing by great things to say about all of them. I love and respect the friends I made there, and it was with a heavy heart that I made the decision to leave. There are people that continue to be my friends on facebook, and if Im ever in their neck of the woods, I will make every attempt to get a beer with. The truth is Pax is not a PVP oriented community, and at this time in my MMO experience I want a PVP guild.

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RE: QQ and Trollolo

I Think this is whats happened:
Early on Great players grouped up with other great players. People got facestomped. They QQ'd and threw around accusations. Some members responded by lashing out with an even greater resolve. If you back people in a corner with allegations and haterorade, some will fold to the fetal position, others will come out biting, kicking, and smashing face. I was on the Stompee side of this debate for months. Honestly It MADE ME A BETTER PLAYER. Had these dudes not kicked my teeth in night after night. I would still be that clicky Sorc with his feet glued to spot casting **** until it was time to respawn again.

Earlier in this thread it was stated that Guerilla/GG don't care for the community and have only put on 1 event, only because they were called out.. This is both true and false.

Truth: They only hosted a Tourney because they were called out..
This is true only because they lacked a player who was interested in organization of such events. Some people lack the motivation and or mind set to put things like this together. Its tough, it takes a lot of effort and you have to WANT to do it. Call someone out enough and they will eventually bend, unless there Ghandi or some ****.

False:
In my experience Guerillas do care about the community. They know enough about each of you to focus those who are dangerous and play objectives. There really isn't a bunch of **** talk like "player X is garbage". Its more.. Oh Player X is in here. They are pretty good. Don't let them free cast. I havnt met everyone in the guild yet So there may be exceptions, but that goes for any guild. My experiences with them have all been positive.

After all, If you all quit PVPing who will we have to play with?

...... anyway...

Look for that to change. I derive great pleasure from a strong community interaction within a PVP genre. I will be taking a personal responsibility in organizing server events and make every effort to diffuse the bad blood.. Its just what I enjoy doing. No other reason than that.

If however, you just want to continue to hate and be angry.. then go **** yourself. and have a nice day