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Toys - we already paid for them. Bought them as they were. We should not pay twice!

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Toys - we already paid for them. Bought them as they were. We should not pay twice!

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Lostpenguins
05.14.2013 , 11:27 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
You might not care but plenty of others who, like me, bought those items as they were do care. We spent real money and they got ninja-changed suddenly and now we are forced to pay if we want to use them the way we used them.
You spent real money i.e. you bought cartel coins?

1 - Items in game are always subject to change. Even if you pay using cash, it's still a virtual item that I'm pretty sure the EULA acknowledges that it's their property (which is why they have a right to ban you from selling anything for RL cash). So the fact that you spent RL cash on it doesn't give your complaint more weight.

2 - The fact that you can buy another toy for super-cheap prices means that you're still blowing this way out of proportion.

3 - It's still a vanity item.

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Alec_Fortescue
05.14.2013 , 11:28 AM | #12
You don't use them toys? Why do you bother posting here. Now I am being charged real money to send them over to my character, despite already paying for them for what they were like. I play PvE with two different characters and I like sending them between my characters I am actively playing with.

It's a vanity item but i already bought it as it was. It's not cheap when I need to pay several times because I have few of them already paid for over the last few months. Keep in mind that salaries do vary between countries. Drastically. The cost of unlocking THERAPY PROBE is worth 3 hours of work on the average salary in Poland.

Paid hairstyles? Fine. Paid re-customization. Okay. Paid dyes? Okay, i'll go gtn. But why do I have to pay for USING items the way i used them over the last 7 months.
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Lostpenguins
05.14.2013 , 11:33 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
You don't use them toys? Why do you bother posting here. Now I am being charged real money to send them over to my character, despite already paying for them for what they were like. I play PvE with two different characters and I like sending them between my characters I am actively playing with.
1 - I have a few vanity items from the CM like a couple of pets, a mount, the RC spaceship toy to med with, things like that. So clearly you're assumption is wrong. The fact is, though, that I didn't spend a single CC coin on those accept for the Carbonite Chamber when I bought it the first day the CM came out and I used my CC's they had given me for time spent subscribed thus far.

2 - You aren't being charged RL money. Go buy a copy of it off the GTN. Stop tunnel-visioning your problem to make it seem more drastic than it actually is.

3 - The fact that you play 2 main characters means the cost for those toys should be minimal in terms of credits spent to duplicate.

While I understanding that a certain level of irkness with the fact that they changed some items on you in game, the fact that you refuse to take a step back and see how little this really impacts you is just mind boggling. It's vanity stuff. You can probably resolve the issue by spending a small amount of credits. And you seem to overlook the fact that I clearly said it would unfair if new users had theirs bind on use, but you didn't.

I see you updated your post after I had responded, but I think I still directly answered these in my above statements:
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
It's a vanity item but i already bought it as it was. It's not cheap when I need to pay several times because I have few of them already paid for over the last few months. Keep in mind that salaries do vary between countries. Drastically. The cost of unlocking THERAPY PROBE is worth 3 hours of work on the average salary in Poland.

Paid hairstyles? Fine. Paid re-customization. Okay. Paid dyes? Okay, i'll go gtn. But why do I have to pay for USING items the way i used them over the last 7 months.
1 - Once again, you can buy them off the GTN, as you admitted so stop equating that you always have to spend RL cash.
2 - Once again, understand that anything in the game is subject to change. Luckily, it's only vanity items that got changed here. Changing gameplay-based items (such as stats on an item or how it functions in combat) would be a far bigger problem.

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Blackavaar
05.14.2013 , 11:36 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
I suspected this would happen. If they didn't change these, than any new toys would be unfairly worse.

I continue to see your anger on these vanity issues and it really baffles me. Seriously, you're blowing this way too out of proportion when you can send your alt the same toy that costs probably 50k credits for something they will have permanently in the game.

Are you seriously creating 12 alts on a server and leveling them up all the time and need to have all your toys flying around you? I somehow doubt that. If it's really true, then pony up the credz, but, as stated before, it wouldn't be fair for someone to get a toy post 2.1 that's stuck to one character while someone else can transfer their toy, freely.
Those aren't the Toys he's talking about.

The Revan, Satele and Malgus statues are all categorized as Toys.
The Life Day Orb and Carbonite Chamber are also labeled Toys.

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Glower
05.14.2013 , 11:38 AM | #15
LOL!

music probe (rng boxes) 600 for unlock
chamber 360 for unlock
kolto tank (rng boxes ) can't check it now
revan (rng boxes) 240 for unlock
rancor 90
holo-tree 300
life orb 30
ball toss 60
red/gold eyes 60
malgus 240
holo shrub 240
holoprojector 60

rifles 240
emotes 60
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Lostpenguins
05.14.2013 , 11:39 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
Those aren't the Toys he's talking about.

The Revan, Satele and Malgus statues are all categorized as Toys.

Still super-cheap. If you bought the Expansion everyone of your characters now has a statue trainer for free. It may not be the Malgus statue, but, what, were you dropping it on cooldown? Also, you can still buy these off the GTN for a low cost. He has 2 characters, that means he only has to buy them once additionally off the GTN.

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Alec_Fortescue
05.14.2013 , 11:41 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Glower View Post
LOL!

music probe (rng boxes) 600 for unlock
chamber 360 for unlock
kolto tank (rng boxes ) can't check it now
revan (rng boxes) 240 for unlock
Seriously cheap. It's like two days of work in your average central/eastern european country.
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Blackavaar
05.14.2013 , 11:42 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Still super-cheap. If you bought the Expansion everyone of your characters now has a statue trainer for free. It may not be the Malgus statue, but, what, were you dropping it on cooldown? Also, you can still buy these off the GTN for a low cost. He has 2 characters, that means he only has to buy them once additionally off the GTN.
150-400k credits is not cheap to many players, though it may be a pittance to you.
And many of us have more than one alt. I myself have 16 characters on Harbinger server alone.

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Benfynyn
05.14.2013 , 11:46 AM | #19
I think part of the issue being raised is that they just finished telling us they weren't going to change the look of some items because they didn't want to make a change to existing items that might anger some players who like them that way.

Then they changed some items and angered some players anyway.

Which seems like a contradiction but only if you accept the first as a legitimate reason for them not changing the previously discussed items and not as an excuse for them being lazy.
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Lostpenguins
05.14.2013 , 11:47 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
150-400k credits is not cheap to many players, though it may be a pittance to you.
And many of us have more than one alt. I myself have 16 characters on Harbinger server alone.

For what, the trainer? Are all of your characters in need of leveling? Did you not preorder? So, it's not so much that it's a toy. It's the incovenience of not being able to train, on the fly, wherever you are. I get that. That's your issue. And as I said, I can understand why a user would be a little irked. But Alec is making it sound way worse than it actually is.

Quote: Originally Posted by Benfynyn View Post
I think part of the issue being raised is that they just finished telling us they weren't going to change the look of some items because they didn't want to make a change to existing items that might anger some players who like them that way.

Then they changed some items and angered some players anyway.

Which seems like a contradiction but only if you accept the first as a legitimate reason for them not changing the previously discussed items and not as an excuse for them being lazy.
Look of an item is very different of functionality of an item. Once again, this goes back to fairness. It isn't fair to punish new purchasers of toys.