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Shingara
05.13.2013 , 06:44 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Vis-Tecum View Post
that's what I thought this sentence meant silly me

"we already pay for the upkeep of the servers so getting some fluff with our real content should be a given."

by fluff I figured you meant the cosmetic features we are being asked to pay for
Thank you for proving my point, you cannot read.

Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
cathar was one thing, they are sailing far to close to the edge if they are thinking about charging subscribers for looks on races we bought with the game.
Quote: Originally Posted by Vis-Tecum View Post
you missed the other post about cosmetic features being paid for so "real" content does not have to be bought, in this case cathar is not being considered "real" content [hence why I keep using "real" content in quotations]

would you of rather had a free cathar unlock and pay for the next FP/OP/PVP map

or do you just want everything for free?

again bioware and eric have been fairly open and honest about charging for cosmetics and not content people just refuse to listen and then get upset that bioware has not changed their stance on paying for cosmetics
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
I said im ok with cathar being charged to subscribers as it did not come with the game. Human, cyborg etc came with the game, we have payed our duds on the game in concern to those and any looks that are being added to them should go to subs for free.
Quote: Originally Posted by Vis-Tecum View Post
well then if you strongly think your sub is enough and everything should be free since you pay a sub you are going to be very unhappy

I for one understand that my sub along with the under 500k others who sub that it is not enough to bring in the content I am looking forward too and the cartel market offsets that. I also understand being the stand up company bioware is they are not going to charge me extra for new content just optional cosmetics that I can choose to purchase or not with out missing any story or gameplay just some armor skins and make up.

that is 100% ok with me and I thank bioware for considering our sub when deciding this instead of us paying for new warzones and op or god forbid they go warhammer maintenance mode and we are stuck with nothing
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GhostDrone
05.13.2013 , 06:44 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by nshotsman View Post
Every slider (Hairstyle, hair color, eye color, head, etc) will cost Cartel Coins to change. The hair colors and styles that were priced in the patch notes are referring to sets of customization option additions on those sliders. You will first have to pay Cartel Coins to unlock those options on your account. Then if you choose to make changes to an existing character using those unlocked options you will pay for those changes on a per slider basis through the Kiosk
Ah, now i understand.

I fully assume that the existing hairstyles and such will not require a CM purchase and instead will only have a slider price?

This is indeed a relief to hear, though. Looking forward to seeing what the new customization options are. Hoping for some more Sith Pureblood jewellery in the future.
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Andryah
05.13.2013 , 06:47 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Im sure you cannot read, did i say anywhere in there that everything should be free. if i did please show me where i said it and also highlight where i said new races being added are fine to charge to subscribers.
Specific to the new race unlock......you are going to pay for new races in an MMO. It's simply a question of how.

If they put a new race in an expac.. nobody complains.

If they put in the market where players get to decde if they actually want it rather then have it pushed on them as part of a xpac fee... people claim the world is ending.

What we have here is largely irrational feelings about how Cathar is being sold, not that it costs incremental real dollars to get... OH WAIT.. it doesn't for subscribers who have been prudent with their coin allowance. Snap! That makes the feelings expressed even more irrational... since Bioware is giving players choices.. and choices that don't actually cost incremental dollars.
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nshotsman
05.13.2013 , 06:48 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by GhostDrone View Post
Ah, now i understand.

I fully assume that the existing hairstyles and such will not require a CM purchase and instead will only have a slider price?

This is indeed a relief to hear, though. Looking forward to seeing what the new customization options are. Hoping for some more Sith Pureblood jewellery in the future.
Correct existing style options will only cost the per slider amount to change
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Shingara
05.13.2013 , 06:48 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You are going to pay for new races in an MMO. It's simply a question of how.

If they put a new race in an expac.. nobody complains.

If they put in the market where players get to decde if they actually want it rather then have it pushed on them as part of a xpac fee... people claim the world is ending.

What we have her is largely irrational feelings about how Cathar is being sold, not that it costs incremental real dollars to get... OH WAIT.. it doesn't for subscribers who have been prudent with their coin allowance. Snap!
Im not talking about the cathar andryah, ive covered this, im talking about the haircuts, tattoos etc for races we have now and have unlocked to legacy requirment for unlocking full looks.

And not to point out the obvious but you actualy quote me stating cathar are fine.
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Vis-Tecum
05.13.2013 , 06:55 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Thank you for proving my point, you cannot read.
what ever you can be as grumpy and unhappy as you want throwing around insults, point is they said over and over they will charge for cosmetic and the NEW hairstyles fall under that category and is completely optional for everyone
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Shingara
05.13.2013 , 06:58 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Vis-Tecum View Post
what ever you can be as grumpy and unhappy as you want throwing around insults, point is they said over and over they will charge for cosmetic and the new hairstyles fall under that catagory
The only person being insulting is yourself, as for what they stated was infact, we shall not charge subscribers anything extra for what is already within the game or the creation options of races already within the game, cathar are a new race and as such did not come with the game or those rules. Humans, Cyborgs, mirialan, chiss etc on the other hand are part of the game from launch and fall under those rules.

If f2p have to purchase those looks that is perfectly ok as they have to purchase the other races not free anyhows so it makes no difference. So as character creation is all under one catagory and that is where the limitation stands with the difference to f2p and subscribed that is where we shall draw the line as that is where bioware have drawn it.

And if they ever do a graphics upgrade i shall point it out to you that for you to play with the NEW looks you shall have to pay cartel coins shall i, so stop being such a blind sider and actualy think for a second before posting.

Because right up until that post you have been blindly attacking me as if i was arguing cathar shouldnt be charged even though i stated it multiple times in each of my posts this wasnt the case and you simply were refusing to read what was written and just blindly attacked instead, just as you are still doing.
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Gwena
05.13.2013 , 07:02 PM | #68
Hmm, I think I like the way they're handling the new customization options, this way I can make a new character with one of the new options right from the start without having to wait to get my desired choice until I hit the fleet. ^^
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Vis-Tecum
05.13.2013 , 07:31 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
The only person being insulting is yourself...

Because right up until that post you have been blindly attacking me as if i was arguing cathar shouldnt be charged even though i stated it multiple times in each of my posts this wasnt the case and you simply were refusing to read what was written and just blindly attacked instead, just as you are still doing.
don't see how I attacked you... you quoted a question I asked someone on what content they had to buy off the cartel market... your first line was "cathar was one thing", I mistook that to mean cathar was your answer and that it is content you had to buy so I filled in the context of the question... but since I made a simple mistake I obviously cant read, that is a petty forum insult so im not the ONLY person being insulting

the only thing I said that could be considered a attack was me asking if you think you should have everything for free... that was a honest question

a lot of subscribers do believe that everything should be free with a sub, and that is valid and why I said I understand that my sub is not going to bring in the content I look forward to, so asking that question wasn't meant to be a attack if that's how you saw it
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Shingara
05.13.2013 , 07:37 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Vis-Tecum View Post
don't see how I attacked you... you quoted a question I asked someone on what content they had to buy off the cartel market... your first line was "cathar is one thing", I mistook that to mean cathar was your answer and that it is content you had to buy so I filled in the context of the question... but since I made a simple mistake I obviously cant read, that is a petty forum insult so I used the rollseyes emote so im not the ONLY person being insulting

the only thing I said that could be considered a attack was me asking if you think you should have everything for free... that was a honest question

a lot of subscribers do believe that everything should be free with a sub, and that is valid and why I said I understand that my sub is not going to bring in the content I look forward to, so asking that question wasn't meant to be a attack if that's how you saw it
You were trying to state anything and everything on the cartel market is justified aslong as its not a flaspoint, operation or warzone. This isnt the case. I clearly stated before i wrote anything that cathar was not the issue but the options for char creation for our exisitng chars which we have unlocked fully as a race for all looks are and after being promised that anything todo with races already existing wouldnt be charged beyond the kiosk for new looks on existing chars and it was only cathar that was being charged as it was a new race,

You saying that i was asking for everything was your vieled attack as if im somehow suggesting that subscribers should somehow get everything from the cartel market for free and how I am somehow the harbringer of doom by suggesting that bioware keep there promise because if they do we would somehow have to pay subscriptions and then cartel coins for every patch update which is equal to throwing a stick of dynomite in a goldfish bowl becuase it looked at you funny in concern to this debate.

And as for you not being able to read, the fact you didnt read what was written is a statement of fact which you picked up on yourself after me telling you to read what i wrote as you kept going on about cathar so is actualy a fact not an insult.
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