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Are MMOs fulfilling their potential?

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Kilora
05.13.2013 , 01:58 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by XantosCledwin View Post
read my redacted post.

And for that matter, take longer than two seconds to absorb what I type before replying.
Apologies -- maybe you should've written the entire post before hitting "submit reply." And, you simply stated "The concept of Artificial Intelligence when. . . " While I *might* agree he invented the genre of "robot fiction" -- that is hardly the same as Artificial Intelligence.

On top of that -- Turing was the FIRST person to write ANYTHING about the philosophical underlyings of Artificial Intelligence. So -- not *just* on a scientific level.

I'd love to see some evidence that points to Asimov EVER being mentioned as an inspiration to the creaters of "modern sci-fi AI". And I fail to see how basing a book off of someone else's idea -- one that you don't even fully understand -- is enough to merit him with anything relating to AI.

And, even in SciFi -- he wasn't the first, nor the most influential.

Please see:
Karel Capek
Jack Williamson - Particularly "With Folded Hands"
The Day the Earth Stood Still (Movie)
Forbidden Planet (Movie)
The Time Machine (H.G. Wells)
Astro Boy (Original Manga)
Philip K. Dick

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05.13.2013 , 01:59 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Are you guys actually arguing who invented that thing that has yet to actually be invented?

This is like arguing who invented flight... in 1662.
we are actually arguing over who invented the concept of artificial intelligence. I am firmly of the opinion that artificial intelligence has not been invented because there are moral objections that state that inventing it would in fact prove disastrous for our species. My opponent here claims it has already been invented and I am just too blind to the obvious fact that machines already think on the level of human beings to realize it.
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05.13.2013 , 02:02 PM | #73
have you never heard of the positronic brain? that phrase which has been used to refer to countless Artificially Intelligent Beings computational core was first invented by Isaac Asimov. Granted it was a spurious whim of his to name it that in the first place. The fact that people still refer to the computational core of Artificial Intelligences as a positronic brain at all is at least on some level an homage to Isaac Asimov's contributions to the genre.
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05.13.2013 , 02:03 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by XantosCledwin View Post
we are actually arguing over who invented the concept of artificial intelligence. I am firmly of the opinion that artificial intelligence has not been invented because there are moral objections that state that inventing it would in fact prove disastrous for our species. My opponent here claims it has already been invented and I am just too blind to the obvious fact that machines already think on the level of human beings to realize it.
Please, show me where I said it has already been invented?

Oh, right. I didn't. I pointed out that you mistakenly referred to Asimov as someone who
Quote: Originally Posted by XantosCledwin View Post
practically self-invented the entire genre of robot fiction.
And furthermore stated that
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The concept of Artificial Intelligence when he actually created the 3 laws was virtually non-existent.
Both I have shown to be false. You've even admitted to your lack of knowledge in the area, yet continue to argue about things you don't know. I've even given you terms to plop into google -- and would take not even 5 minutes to show you Asimov was BARELY influential to AI in any sense of the term.

And moral objections are HARDLY the reason we haven't achieved that goal. Why? Many scientists think about morality AFTER the fact. Look at the Atomic Bomb.

Generally isn't smart to continue an argument about something, when you know little about the subject.

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05.13.2013 , 02:05 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by XantosCledwin View Post
we are actually arguing over who invented the concept of artificial intelligence. I am firmly of the opinion that artificial intelligence has not been invented because there are moral objections that state that inventing it would in fact prove disastrous for our species. My opponent here claims it has already been invented and I am just too blind to the obvious fact that machines already think on the level of human beings to realize it.
Ahh, well in that case, the concept likely dates back thousands of years to Golems of mythology.

Morality never gets in the way of inventing things to make money or kill other people. The real impediment is that they are trying to invent something to emulate something we barely understand, the human brain.

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05.13.2013 , 02:06 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by XantosCledwin View Post
have you never heard of the positronic brain? that phrase which has been used to refer to countless Artificially Intelligent Beings computational core was first invented by Isaac Asimov. Granted it was a spurious whim of his to name it that in the first place. The fact that people still refer to the computational core of Artificial Intelligences as a positronic brain at all is at least on some level an homage to Isaac Asimov's contributions to the genre.
Yet, Asimov himself admitted he only used the term because the Positron was new technology (something he had absolutely nothing to do with) and it sounded "futuristic and science-fictional at that time." **

** In his first autobiography, "In Memory Yet Green"

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05.13.2013 , 02:07 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Ahh, well in that case, the concept likely dates back thousands of years to Golems of mythology.

Morality never gets in the way of inventing things to make money or kill other people. The real impediment is that they are trying to invent something to emulate something we barely understand, the human brain.
wow, someone actually brought up Golems. I am impressed. Yes, I suppose that is the true origin of all Artificial Intelligence concepts I will bow to that and call this debate closed.
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05.13.2013 , 02:11 PM | #78
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Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Are you guys actually arguing who invented that thing that has yet to actually be invented?

This is like arguing who invented flight... in 1662.
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05.13.2013 , 02:13 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Pulling the Golem card. That is actually pretty intuitive.
My preccioussssss.


Wait. That isn't the golem we're talking about?

Cosmic -- that was actually an amazing point. Same with the point on morality/science/brain.

SEE! Look! I'm agreeing with you AND trying to compliment you! I'm not ALL bad.