Remove Premades NOW!

If the queue's were non-stop I'd say give them a seperate queue but they're not, so it would just make everything even slower. There's no ranked practice area so regs are all pvp rated groups have to do to practice as sorry as that state is. When they're lucky, they'll queue against another premade and it'll be interesting, otherwise its just going to be rough for us true solo queuers.

I agree nerf smash and ops roll! Is this the right thread for that?

what would make you think there would ever be logic to it in the first place? do you Q "as a healer" for WZ the way you do in grp finder for pve content? It would be nice if you could. it might make things more balanced (though remember how long grp finder Qs are!).

I think one good idea might be reducing the size of groups that can que for WZ's from 4 to 2. Now, let me just say that I am fine with premades, and I run with one often. I was just thinking about some possible middle ground for solo PUGs.

I am new to the Bastion and don't really know too many people. So I have been pugging a lot the last few weeks. This is my conclusion. Most pugs do not play objectives. They all leave and try to solo everybody 1v1. Nerf healers, nerf premades, nerf this and that are usually pugs who cry because they can't win. I would say this to most to the pug community the reason people don't ask you to play with them is probably because you are too good for them.

I don't get these threads... do people not understand this is an mmo (Massively Multiplayer online) game... So its designed to play with other people, find groups and guilds, and en general have fun playing a game with and against people. So why should premades not be allowed in regular warzones??? I think perhaps the ones crying about this are the ones that are so socially awkward they can't even make friends in an online game, so they think its unfair that other people don't have the same issue.

I find that usually 99.99% of the time a pug team looses, has nothing to do with going against a premade, but rather that 4-6 players on the pug team are morons that get tunnel vision and just run around attacking any enemy, regardless of the objectives.

Not everyone that solo queues does it because they're socially awkward, sometimes they just can't commit to a group because they may have to step away from the keyboard often, can't commit a large amount of time,have computer issues they can't resolve on their own,etc. Ideally that would be the solution, but not everyones situation is ideal.

Oh I know not everyone that solo queue's are like that. I personally solo queue most of the time, because I am a casual player now and play at random times so its hard to find groups that correspond to when I am playing. But I'm not complaining about premades, I don't think they are an issue. A skilled pug team can still easily beat a premade, I've done it plenty of times.

I was mainly saying that about the people who QQ about premades in regular warzones.

There is no where that states MMO requires a group to play. I pay/play for dynamic content, human targets, dynamic ecomony, etc. You premade folks already have specific content directly aimed at you: flashpoints, operations, heriocs, etc. Why can pvp be open to everyone on an even/level balanced field?

To use your argument, why don't you, in your social-greatness, get a bunch of friends and play in the ranked queues?
There is a premade queue, its the ranked queue.

But no, most premades do not want that, because there is too much competition in ranked, and they get their butts handed to them most of the time from the really good few premades. Kinda like being a hypocrit, isnt it? That you premade folks shun the ranked queue saying its too intense, too hard, too many superior teams that live/breath pvp, and my favorite, "we just want laid back pvp", i cannot make 4 more friends to field a team of 8, or whatever ****-n-many excuse you can come up with to explain why you cant play ranked. and when the pug folks use those exact same arguments on why premades shouldnt be in the regular queue, you dismiss them as being anti-social.

If you cannot hack it in the ranked queue, i suggest you hone your social skills and meet/join better people/guilds to compete in the premade queue. But thats not REALLY want you premade folks want. I bet most of you spout you want good competition, blah blah blah, but what you really want is a nice easy win to get your comms/prestige/whatever, else you'd be in the ranked queue. And don't use the excuse of "i only have 5 friends, i cant play ranked" hypocrisy. Whats the different between you telling Joe that he needs to make 4 friends to make a premade for regular wzs, and me telling you you need to make 4 more friends so you can field a ranked team or 8? Having only 4 friends makes you some sort of social pariah?

Premades have a queue, its the ranked queue. Bioware gave them that luxury to compete against the very best competition. All regular WZs folks as asking for is the same balanced/level playing field.

To use something from experience, this was an issue in AoC as well. Eventually folks would just leave the WZ everytime the premades were in there and the premade would end up with no one to fight. It killed off minis for quite awhile until the premade actually started queuing solo, and minis became fun/numerous again...

I am Technohic and I solo queue because I have no friends.