I fear for the future of this game.

No, they sold 2 million units, period. And only ever had a maximum of 1.7 million players, pre-F2P.

No one knows the exact number of subscribers lost between this point of over 500,000 but under a million and the two million new players since the introduction of F2P. Thus there never could have been a "[loss of] 1.5-2 million subscribers". They never had 2 million in the first place before they went F2P. If they lost 1.5 million, that would have placed them at 200,000, which is less than 500,000. That would be a direct contradiction of their own statements.

Those are the sources for my numbers, please state yours CosmicKat. I saw articles stating that SWTOR was in trouble, but ALL of them were almost a year old. The "newest" being August 2012.

Personally, I'm really sick and tired of the Chicken Little-like behavior going around.

2.57 million "sold"
They never said "2 million new players" - it was 2 million new "accounts" since F2P - words mean things.
Clearly they have lost around 2 million "subscribers" if they have steadied out around 500k subs.

But this is all moot - people are foolishly assuming F2P people are accounting for the revenue increase - they add some, but they surely aren't the bulk of the increased revenue. Subscribers buying cartel market items are mainly why revenue is doubled, not F2P folk.

edit: I'd also be very curious to see where the Makeb revenue was allocated.

What new Everquest?

Was not expecting this to reach 8 pages. Wow

First, who is VGCharts, and where do they get their numbers? But for now I'll accept those numbers. Question: How many of those copies were used? And...see next point.

Two, "units sold" usually means what's sold to retailers, not players.

Third, source of your certainty that it's subs supplying most of the revenue from the Cartel Market, please. I can't find any reliable sources for any spending numbers.

This isn't directed at you, TUXs, but I'm tired of seeing these threads, filled with "facts" that are nothing more than opinion and speculation.

I fear for the future of threads raising moot points.

No need to fear for that.

It was a joke.

You're so sure? Girl on my server spends almost 300 dollars per new pack, I spend roughly 80-120 per new pack depending on how bad an item is in there I would want in the packs. and there are people who buy a few hypercrates(more than 50 dollars worth) who sell the packs on the GTN for credits aswell on Jung ma. If it is the same on the other servers, I think its safe to say the money flow is roughly the same, and noting. a lot of people quit after the first month, so 6 million subscribers were just the hype mode of launch, and can't really be used to compare to the rest of the games existence.