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What is the point of my $15 a month?

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Kubernetic
05.13.2013 , 08:58 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
That's a want, not a need, unless your post is sarcasm.
Since all I really enjoy in the game is PVP, I don't agree with this statement. If the PVP isn't there, for me, there's no reason to be here. I'm entitled to play this game the way I wish, and your opinion doesn't matter in that regard.

Govern yourself accordingly.

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You are entitled to play the game as delivered to you. You are also entitled to vote with you $ and stop subbing if you are dissatisfied.
You're 21 days late on this suggestion.

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PvPer gonna QQ.
Not after 9 more days I won't be.

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If people unsub from an MMO because other players say "Deal with it or move along," then they are truly weak-willed, spineless worms. Ergo, such suggestions have nothing to do with the game going F2P or its current state of "failure" (as some would have it).
This response wasn't to me, but I'll respond anyway.

I cancelled my subscription because the game is no longer meeting my standards for deserving continued contributions of a monetary value. I used to be where you are, telling others that if they don't like the game, stop subbing and go find a new one.

When I realized I was no longer enjoying the game, I took my own advice.

Enjoy yourself.
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Kubernetic
05.13.2013 , 09:14 AM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You have the right to complain. What does it gain you though.. to complain?

It's not like Bioware is going to stop everything they are doing and put their best 25 people on your complaint just so you stop complaining.

While some people complain just to vent.. others actually think complaining means the developers will drop everything and do what you complain about.

Some complain because they want validation to their complaints and want to gather a posse around a complaint.

Some people are just complainers.. about just about everything.

For some.. complaining makes it worse for themselves.. since they feed off their own complaints...the more they complain.. the madder they get and the more they hate the game.

TL;DR: complaining does not make the game better.
I'll bite. There are 9 days left on my subscription, and at this point, since I don't even get any enjoyment out of playing, even with my remaining days left, I'm using my remaining credit with the game to post when I can on the forums.

I won't be leaving any "Goodbye, Here's My Reason for Quitting" post on my own thread, as others do, so I'm simply voicing my concerns in the various posts as I see them. I already sent my intended message to BioWare themselves through proper channels in the reason why I was quitting. Luckily, I copied and pasted the message and pasted it to a text file before trying to submit, because upon submitting the cancellation, the page had timed out and it basically wiped my entire message. So I went back and filled out the cancellation form again, then pasted in the message so that this time, they received it. They may do with it what they will.

Again, you may check my posting history and go back as far as you like, and you'll see that my attitude toward the game shifted somewhere in the past several months, and most especially when the warzone quitter problem became insanely bad and after the 2.0 update.

After having been a promoter and financial backer (with some $350 or so in Cartel Coin purchases as well as all of the continued subscriptions since the first charge in January 2012) and advocate for BioWare and the game's developers, I'm entitled to voice my discontent with the game in whatever manner I see fit, in my humble opinion.

If you don't like seeing my posts, you're free to ignore me, if that function even exists on this forum codebase.

I'm not looking for anyone's validation. And BioWare and its agents are free to either respond (or take to heart) my comments or not. Their resulting actions will result in my either resubscribing or not.

Either way, I'll be able to review my new starships in Star Citizen come August, and I'll be able to start dogfighting in-game in December of this year. My Origin Jumpworks 300i attack fighter and my MISC Freelancer merchant ship will be waiting.

If BioWare can get their act together and introduce a PVP system that doesn't have a gear stat and isn't broken, I'll be back. If they introduce a space component that allows us to dogfight each other without a gear stat and in a manner that isn't similarly broken, I'll be back.

Otherwise, I wish you all the best, and you can look me up as "Kubernetic" on the SC forums or in-game. Or you can find me as "Kubernetic" in STO when the new Romulan expansion launches.

My challenge to BioWare.
Fix your game and make me throw my money at you again.
I dare you.


Peace.
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branmakmuffin
05.13.2013 , 09:21 AM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
Since all I really enjoy in the game is PVP, I don't agree with this statement. If the PVP isn't there, for me, there's no reason to be here. I'm entitled to play this game the way I wish, and your opinion doesn't matter in that regard.
You are entitled to play the game as it's made available to you. It it's not how you wish to play, I can't imagine why you would play. But there's still no need there.

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I cancelled my subscription because the game is no longer meeting my standards for deserving continued contributions of a monetary value. I used to be where you are, telling others that if they don't like the game, stop subbing and go find a new one. When I realized I was no longer enjoying the game, I took my own advice.
Then you are doing the right thing for you. So there's no problem. Not sure why you're still posting (other than just because you can).

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Enjoy yourself.
As long as I like playing the game, I will play the game. When I no longer enjoy it, I'll stop playing it. That's true of everyone. Simple.

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I won't be leaving any "Goodbye, Here's My Reason for Quitting" post on my own thread, as others do [...] Otherwise, I wish you all the best, and you can look me up as "Kubernetic" on the SC forums or in-game. Or you can find me as "Kubernetic" in STO when the new Romulan expansion launches.
No, you'll just do it in this thread. And if we did go the STO forums, in a short while we'd be seeing "From Kubernetic: I need PvP to be fixed" posts there, too.

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Kubernetic
05.13.2013 , 09:25 AM | #204
And if anyone needs proof that BioWare and its management-level agents listen to posts on the forum and do take them to heart (on occasion, at least), may I point you to the issue from last year where they were going to reward people for having reached level 50, until thousands of posts changed that into a Legacy-connected reward where people who had multiple characters of sufficient level were able to qualify for the same reward.

It's happened before. I hope it happens again. We'll see.
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btsager
05.13.2013 , 09:33 AM | #205
I have to agree a little bit. They try to make it like the 500 CC a month makes up for it, but it really doesn't. They should get rid of the free CC for subscribers and just give us full access to everything. And they should let us buy items from the Cartel market with in game credits.


It seemed at first that they were following the same free to play model as LOTRO when they started this but they have really screwed it up at this point. Looking at the message boards you can see that a large part of the player base does not like the way they are doing it.

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Pagy
05.13.2013 , 09:33 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by kanaughty View Post
I keep hearing about new features being added like a new race and a barbershop, but they are not included in my subscription? My $15 a month is paying for you to develop these new fun features, so they should be included. It really makes me feel ripped off because $15 a month is a lot more than $0 a month. The cartel market should purely be for things that you haven't been developing to add to the game. The cartel market should be for only free to play people to have to use. My $15 a month should include any new races because we are paying you to develop them. So I don't get why you are nickle and diming us when we are paying you $15 a month. I could understand if our subscription was $5 a month, but it is $15 and my $15 a month includes any new races and any simple barbershop features in World of Warcraft. Please consider that we as subscribers are paying you to develop all these new fun things. And if we have to pay extra for fun then why are we paying the big amount of $15 a month?
holy entitlement complex.

the subscription gives you A LOT. DOn't believe me? Cancel it and try to play the game. The free version is very restricted.

you feel youre entitled to more than what is promised. That's okay. If you don't feel its worth 15$ you can cancel it and use the f2p version or quit. you can't dictate what you should receive based on want you want.

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Kubernetic
05.13.2013 , 09:35 AM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You are entitled to play the game as it's made available to you. It it's not how you wish to play, I can't imagine why you would play. But there's still no need there.
What may be a need for you is not necessarily a need for me, and vice versa. You must accept this.

In my own economic behavior, there must be a need to receive some kind of benefit for throwing $15 dollars at a game company, even if it's just $15. You cannot disagree with this because you aren't me, just FYI. I make my own rules on what I need or don't need from my expenditures. Trying to tell me otherwise is pointless.

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Then you are doing the right thing for you. So there's no problem. Not sure why you're still posting (other than just because you can).
I'm posting here for the same reasons that George Mallory climbed Mt. Everest. This is just far easier to do than climbing a mountain, and I have the added benefit of not having to pass by the corpses and skeletons of those who came before me. So there's that.

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As long as I like playing the game, I will play the game. When I no longer enjoy it, I'll stop playing it. That's true of everyone. Simple.
I've already addressed this in previous posts.

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No, you'll just do it in this thread. And if we did go the STO forums, in a short while we'd be seeing "From Kubernetic: I need PvP to be fixed" posts there, too.
You seem to be confused. Perhaps you can take time out from your insisting that I adopt or praise you for your opinions and check out the thread title. I'm posting where appropriate, rather than starting a new thread.

As to your final comment, I've already abandoned PVP there because it's most certainly Pay-to-Win. Since I have an LTS, I can play or leave as I wish, and what I'll be returning to do is play the new PVE content. When that's done, I'll probably be letting that go dormant again as well. That was not, however, the only game that I mentioned.

As to the other game I mentioned, I know there won't be a gear stat. It's a simulator. No amount of AI augmentation to a ship's systems is going to outmaneuver a skilled pilot and dogfighting skills. You can buy the biggest ship you can get, but if you can't fly it and you can't fight with it, I'll be looting your cargo for profit. Over and out.
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JediJonesJr
05.13.2013 , 10:01 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You have the right to complain. What does it gain you though.. to complain?

It's not like Bioware is going to stop everything they are doing and put their best 25 people on your complaint just so you stop complaining.

While some people complain just to vent.. others actually think complaining means the developers will drop everything and do what you complain about.

Some complain because they want validation to their complaints and want to gather a posse around a complaint.

Some people are just complainers.. about just about everything.

For some.. complaining makes it worse for themselves.. since they feed off their own complaints...the more they complain.. the madder they get and the more they hate the game.

TL;DR: complaining does not make the game better.
who the hell are you to judge paying subs on their complaints who died and made you the official spokesperson for bw/ea i understand being a fanboy some feel it is their responsibility to defend but why don't you back off people and let them vent without your sarcastic comments.

I can see why some people have made stupid threads in these forums saying you work for the company you are so deep in the hoopla you think they walk on water and can do no wrong.

tired of reading your rants glad they have ignore feature for forums.
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zzoorrzz
05.13.2013 , 10:08 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by JediJonesJr View Post
who the hell are you to judge paying subs on their complaints who died and made you the official spokesperson for bw/ea i understand being a fanboy some feel it is their responsibility to defend but why don't you back off people and let them vent without your sarcastic comments.

I can see why some people have made stupid threads in these forums saying you work for the company you are so deep in the hoopla you think they walk on water and can do no wrong.

tired of reading your rants glad they have ignore feature for forums.
not a fanboy, clearly an emplyee. How else would he know what the devs are going to do/not do about the forum complains?

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branmakmuffin
05.13.2013 , 10:11 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
What may be a need for you is not necessarily a need for me, and vice versa. You must accept this.
You must accept that no one needs anything in or from a game. It's entertainment. If it no longer satisfies you, seek entertainment elsewhere (which you say you are going to do).

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In my own economic behavior, there must be a need to receive some kind of benefit for throwing $15 dollars at a game company, even if it's just $15. You cannot disagree with this because you aren't me, just FYI. I make my own rules on what I need or don't need from my expenditures. Trying to tell me otherwise is pointless.
Need: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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I'm posting here for the same reasons that George Mallory climbed Mt. Everest.
Fame and glory? You're gonna come up a wee bit short.

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As to your final comment, I've already abandoned PVP there because it's most certainly Pay-to-Win. Since I have an LTS, I can play or leave as I wish, and what I'll be returning to do is play the new PVE content. When that's done, I'll probably be letting that go dormant again as well. That was not, however, the only game that I mentioned.
It is irrelevant what games you're going to play or what activities you're going to engage in in those games. You will soon find yourself dissatisfied and making virtually identical posts in those others games' forums.