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I fear for the future of this game.

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I fear for the future of this game.

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keysmachine
05.12.2013 , 08:24 PM | #71
one solid year into SWTOR and people are still trying to rain doom on this game.

my god when will it stop..

i think by year 3 the doomsayers should move on to other games to rain doom on. like ESO or some other jesus MMO that is supposed to change the world of MMO's kinda like GW2 was supposed to do.

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annabethchase
05.12.2013 , 08:48 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Well sure, it was making more than it cost to upkeep, but there's no way they had made back the development costs. I doubt even WoW had in a similar time.
Well actually, if the development and marketing cost about 200M, the game already made it's cost back. We've never been given the final figure, but we do know quite a bit about the costs and revenue streams.
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annabethchase
05.12.2013 , 08:49 PM | #73
5 to 10 years from now when the game shuts down, there will be so many know it alls coming out of the woodwork saying they called it. Well duh, it will eventually end someday.
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caveslug
05.12.2013 , 09:01 PM | #74
And to think MMO's survived and thrived before with less then 500K subs, Before WoW, the most subs ever seen in any mmo was around 500K with EQ online. And that's from a time when servers and bandwidth, you know actually took up a big junk of an MMO's operating budget.

I can even remember my Sub fee for Ultima online was less then current sub fees in most modern MMO's
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keysmachine
05.12.2013 , 09:04 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by caveslug View Post
And to think MMO's survived and thrived before with less then 500K subs, Before WoW, the most subs ever seen in any mmo was around 500K with EQ online. And that's from a time when servers and bandwidth, you know actually took up a big junk of an MMO's operating budget.

I can even remember my Sub fee for Ultima online was less then current sub fees in most modern MMO's
bro.. don't you know in order for an mmo not to fail. and you shouldn't 'fear for the future of the game'

is if you have 8 million subs.

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Uldihaa
05.12.2013 , 09:33 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
I never said the game IS dying, I said it WAS dying.

You make no sense at all. You are saying my numbers are wrong, yet they were higher than yours. Therefore, you are arguing that the game is doing worse than I surmised it was and calling me a chicken little,
You said:

Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat
They only sold around 2-2.5 million I think it was.

F2P bought them some time. It's up in the air as to what they will do with that time, but the initial track record is not overly promising. They've still done almost nothing to fix the reasons why they lost those 1.5-2 million subscribers in the first place.
Then you said to another:

Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat
Essentially it broke down to they have the income equivalent of 1 million subscribers, or half what they started with.
Then I came back that they never lost 1.5 - 2 million subscribers. I also pointed out that their revenue has more than doubled since F2P. They lost about a million subs between launch and F2P, thus if the new players are spending the equivalent of 1 million subs, that is... about where they started at launch.

Why is a matter of opinion, as it always is when people like or dislike things. Shocking. If you have higher numbers, then they are based on speculation by gamers and so-called "experts" (who are nothing of the sort). If you expected higher numbers, then that's your problem. A MMO is "breaking even" at 500,000 subs (or making at least $7.5 million a month), which as I linked earlier (the BBC article), they were doing before F2P.

You are right about something dying. The sub-only model is on it's way out. I seriously doubt there will ever be another MMO success like WoW, just like there will never be another "Beatles". Since subs are going the way of the dodo, using that as the metric to measure a game's "health" and to be able to speculate as to how long it'll last is also over.

Will SWTOR eventually end? Yes. When? No one knows, and anyone claiming they do is full of it.

FYI: I subbed after the game went F2P; in second week of December, in fact. So my anecdotal experience has been F2P leads to a healthier game.

If your point is that there isn't enough of the content for you (and players like you), then that is purely subjective and applies only to you and players like you. I'm fairly content, and I'll point out that this is the only MMO I've been enthusiastic to make alts for. Three so far, with a fourth soon to come. If you are tired of what's available, then you need to take a break from this game. Go play something else for a while, then come back when you can't recite dialogue from memory. Me, I intend to do what I'm doing now and keep "switching sides" with each character. If I get tired of that, I'll go play Aion or something for a few months and maybe some console or handheld RPGs (still need to get Persona 4 Golden anyway).

Games end. So will this one. MMOs are not the perpetual motion machines so many "experts" thought. Oh well.

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uaintjak
05.12.2013 , 09:40 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Moonshadow View Post
The only thing that keeps me from leaping off a tall building is knowing that one day we'll all die in a doomsday or an apocalypse or something and a new species will hyper evolve into the dominant life form and learn from our evolutionary faux pas.
I'm confused. Why would this stop you from leaping off a tall building? You won't be around either way, and I doubt the advanced genius super manatees that replace us will care that one day, one human jumped off a bridge rather than sticking around and dying in the apocalypse.

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Arlbo_Nabbins
05.12.2013 , 09:51 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Personally, I think anyone spending that kind of money on any game is nuts, but to each their own.

Someone spending $300 every couple of months is worth about 10 subscribers. Someone spending $0 is worth nothing. You can bet that there are hundreds of thousands spending $0 and at best a couple of thousand spending big dollars. It is not a sustainable model to rely on that amount of disparity.
You are ignoring the group that spends dollars between those values. Lots of people will drop some money on the game now and then.

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SVTCarnage
05.12.2013 , 10:11 PM | #79
SWTOR never went F2P, you can play the demo free, but you haft to become a subscriber to actually play Swtor.

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Killance
05.12.2013 , 10:36 PM | #80
Was not expecting this to reach 8 pages. Wow