What is the point of my $15 a month?

The cartel market, what benefits do I have as a subsriber? I get 600 cartel coins a month which apparently are free. I guess I did not get that memo because as far as I am concerned, these are coming my way because I am PAYING 15 dollars a month and I BOUGHT a security key. So how are these coins free then if I am paying for them? I like the people in this thread you say that SUBSCRIBERS get free cartel coins. They are contradicting themselves and do not even see it. So apart from 600 cartel coins, which I pay for and are practically useless for things, as a subscriber I do not get anything significant from the cartel market compared to a free to player.

I think the word I am looking for to sum up some of the posters here is 'fanboys who do not know the value of money' . I have been in a few betas and played over 237 days on all my characters. I had quite a bit of time on my hands since the game came out and I recently cancelled my subscription. My decision, amongst other things, was based on how my value as a subscriber is in a continuous decline since the cartel market and the FP2 model.


First and foremost, let us look at the service we are being given. I pay my subscription, I get cartel coins, I get access to the game and all eldergame content. I used to log on TOFN and the following would happen : launcher would crash randomly, blank server list, fleet lag, chat lag, guild chat lag, 16 man ops horrendous performance, broken warzone pops where we would stay for 1 hour with no pop or if we would get a pop we would end up kicked out of the game. I see some of you fanboys frowning and want to tell me I have a **** computer. What do I have?

1. i7 CPU @4.0GHZ
2. Asus RIIIE
3. 24GB RAM G-Skill
4. GPU 4x5870 XXX
5. 3xDell U2410
6. 2x Samsung SSD 840 pro Raid + 2x OCZ Vertex 2 RAID + 5 TB of extra space.
7. Creative Titanium / Fiio E17
8. Speed? 200 MBit download with 50 Mbit upload.


So we settled that my computer, eventhough old, should have no issues running Star Wars the old republic. The truth of the matter is that I had many issues, with this game, and these problems haven't been solved. So I pay a subscription to play a game with the same bugs and even more now than it came out are not being fixed. So I pay 15 dollars a month to crash at the end of esselles, to walk from my consular pvp vendor to the pvp terminal and feel the powerpoint presentation not the force, etc. Now all you eagle eye peeps will, for the esselles, say 'but, but alt+tab when the cutscene starts and you will not crash'. I ask, why should I do this? I am a customer paying for a service, I am not the one who needs to find solutions to make it work. The 6 months esselles bug is just one example of the hundreds of issues this game has.


So we established so far that my 15 dollars/month subscription gives me access to a a game where bugs are introduced at a faster rate than they are being fixed and that fanboys will always cheer the bad programming because they do not have anything better to do. How can i forget the days when the Rebublic Fleet was invaded by invisible walls and my sage salvation after being casted took 45 seconds to appear on my screen? Oh yeah, sub me baby one more time .



The cartel market, what benefits do I have as a subsriber? I get 600 cartel coins a month which apparently are free. I guess I did not get that memo because as far as I am concerned, these are coming my way because I am PAYING 15 dollars a month and I BOUGHT a security key. So how are these coins free then if I am paying for them? I like the people in this thread you say that SUBSCRIBERS get free cartel coins. They are contradicting themselves and do not even see it. So apart from 600 cartel coins, which I pay for and are practically useless for things, as a subscriber I do not get anything significant from the cartel market compared to a free to player.

Those "features" don't use enough resources to justify the price tag. A one month subscription is more than half the cost of the Hutt Cartel, which is why they can offer it at half price for subscribers.

All they are doing is trying to Entice more people to purchase more coins. The Cartel Market seems to be all that they care about.

One backlash from all of this that BioWare is doing, is it that it is getting us in the community to go at each other. Just look at all the threads. Some people see what BioWare is doing to there pocket books and others do not.

Some care about it and some do not. In the end the community becomes bitter and broken.

MMO communities are "bitter and broken" from day 1.

Rift in game credits.

And Neverwinter? The game that's in beta now? I don't think Cryptic is making it RL money since no game in their history has done that. All are in-game credits with CoX, CO, to STO.

If it bothers you, don't participate. There's nothing the in CM that is necessary to adventure and quest in the game.


You're making the assumption that there is something that needs seeing. You think it's a rip-off (seemingly). Others don't. There's nothing says you are objectively correct.


MMO communities are "bitter and broken" from day 1.

Actually I hardly do participate.

Of course there is something to be seen. There is a lot to be seen in regards to the Cartel Market. It is just a matter of how people view it. Which is basically why I said that some people see things differently than others.

I am not saying that I am objectively correct over others. I am just saying that some people see the Price Value of things in the Cartel Market and some do not. That some people like those prices are and that some do not.

You may be right that some Communities are Bitter and Broken from day one. But that is not always the case. Some are more so than others. Sometimes it is what the Game Developers do that can make things worse. Other time it is just Human Natural that makes it worse. All I am saying here is that this subject of the Cartel Market has made things worse for these forums. At least from what I have seen it has. Some people may not see it that way but I do.

If it weren't the CM, it would just be something else. There is always "something else."

EA had nothing to do with it. They didn't make the voters stupid.