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Sorc saber nearly worthless?

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Elfa
05.09.2013 , 10:23 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
I recall my Assassin using her saber and force abilities quite a lot together.
As she should and yet the Sorcs are left to palming their saber and blasting lightning unless she feels like doing a very weak and practically useless melee attack.

Either replace an existing power like shock with some kind of saber throw/stab, give us an entirely new power like that, change the animation so her saber is put up when she uses lightning or so that her saber is used during the lightning or make her current Melee more relevant.

Anything would be a better option than what we have now. Sure, I would prefer to have the throw and stab like the Sorc at the end of Black Talon where he throws the saber and stabs the buy, but I'll happily take anything at this point.
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LordArtemis
05.09.2013 , 10:33 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Turshek View Post
Which doesn't make the non-trinity solution that much enjoyable to me.
Fair enough.

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Sarielle
05.09.2013 , 11:33 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
If you could have something that improved some aspect of yourself, no matter how small that improvement, and had almost no downside, complaining that it was not even better would be rather childish.
And Star Wars sith/jedi without useful lightsabers is still dumb imo. I don't care how you try to twist it into a stat discussion, this is from a "Why is my character holding this thing again?" discussion. From a, "How did my sith/jedi pass their trials but not know how to use a lightsaber properly?" discussion.

Again, Yoda was way more into telekinetics etc., but he still knew how to use a lightsaber. This was an arbitrary decision so that there was a "caster class," because Bioware apparently assumed that people coming from other games couldn't adapt to a magic/melee hybrid if they liked playing fantasy sorcerers. So we get force users that might as well be carrying around a glowstick as a working lightsaber, regardless of how silly that feels/looks.

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Loc_n_lol
05.10.2013 , 12:45 AM | #64
I don't know...
Maybe if sorcerers didn't magically unlearn how to apply their willpower to melee bonus damage at level 10, there would at least be a reason to throw a melee attack in melee range while shock and force lightning are on CD ?

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branmakmuffin
05.10.2013 , 07:53 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarielle View Post
And Star Wars sith/jedi without useful lightsabers is still dumb imo. I don't care how you try to twist it into a stat discussion, this is from a "Why is my character holding this thing again?" discussion. From a, "How did my sith/jedi pass their trials but not know how to use a lightsaber properly?" discussion.

Again, Yoda was way more into telekinetics etc., but he still knew how to use a lightsaber. This was an arbitrary decision so that there was a "caster class," because Bioware apparently assumed that people coming from other games couldn't adapt to a magic/melee hybrid if they liked playing fantasy sorcerers. So we get force users that might as well be carrying around a glowstick as a working lightsaber, regardless of how silly that feels/looks.
Sounds like what people are complaining about is "My Sorcerer does not have a butt-kicking melee attack." And it's not the case that Sorcerers are total doofuses with a light saber, regardless of how you try to spin them as "not knowing how to use a light saber."

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Elfa
05.10.2013 , 07:59 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Sounds like what people are complaining about is "My Sorcerer does not have a butt-kicking melee attack." And it's not the case that Sorcerers are total doofuses with a light saber, regardless of how you try to spin them as "not knowing how to use a light saber."
No, we're complaining that they don't really use their saber for anything but 2 measly weak attacks and after that it's all lightning.
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branmakmuffin
05.10.2013 , 08:01 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Elfa View Post
No, we're complaining that they don't really use their saber for anything but 2 measly weak attacks and after that it's all lightning.
And this is a problem, how, exactly? Is the light saber so burdensome? When I play my Sorcerer, as you say, I don't use it much so it's mostly a non-entity. If I'm fighting in melee, things are not going 100% as planned.

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GrimAce
05.10.2013 , 08:15 AM | #68
I actually made a suggestion for mainhand focii a while back, or some sort of alternative aesthetic substitute so sorcs and sages can have a bit more variety in their builds, which would make them slightly more visually distinguishable from Guardians/Juggernauts (though I know the stance is completely different, but with more and more adaptive armor the line of quick and efficient visual identification of class is slowly blurring).

Something like, oh, I don't know, glowing rosary beads (based on colour crystal), or a Sith tablet or a holocron or orb or something - something that gives ranged casters something unique and visually noteworthy to give them a little more flavour visually, albeit at the cost of the two odd melee strikes they are able to use (which are redundant).

There wouldn't be any bonus to these items aside from the visual difference, so there's no real balance issues, but I think they'd be quite popular nonetheless.
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Sarielle
05.10.2013 , 08:31 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
And this is a problem, how, exactly? Is the light saber so burdensome? When I play my Sorcerer, as you say, I don't use it much so it's mostly a non-entity. If I'm fighting in melee, things are not going 100% as planned.
Because they're sith, and it doesn't make sense. They are not <insert generic magic user from generic fantasy game>. Also, I think the animation of shooting lightning while palming a lightsaber you aren't using is plain ugly. For me, it's an aesthetics issue as well as derpy.

You could give somebody in real life a lightsaber and I bet they'd be more useful with it than the jedi/sith "caster" classes, lol. If Sorc doesn't suck with theirs, why do the melee attacks become essentially useless, and why are there only 2 of them?

Don't get me wrong. It isn't something I obsess over. I'm playing one because my husband wanted to try the game and play as a sith warrior, so I decided to make a sithy healing sidekick for Flashpoints because I already have a merc healer and ... well, I like to play healers. -shrug- But I would much much much have preferred a more melee-centric healing class for the force users. I don't feel at all like I'm playing anything from the movies. I feel like I'm playing a generic sorcerer class with an odd wand aesthetic. (Jedi Knight/Sith Warrior feel spot on, though. Because they use their lightsabers, lol.)

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Elfa
05.10.2013 , 08:34 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
And this is a problem, how, exactly? Is the light saber so burdensome? When I play my Sorcerer, as you say, I don't use it much so it's mostly a non-entity. If I'm fighting in melee, things are not going 100% as planned.
It's a problem because as a Sith, she should use her Saber for more. She is a ranged character, not a melee class, I get that, but there are so many other attacks at ranged she could use her saber for and giving her at least one of them would make her saber seem more relevant.

That and if she's casting, she should put the damn thing away.
I'd like to sit down with the guy responsible for having Busta Rhymes fight Michael Myers in HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION. Then, before he could speak, I would slap him so hard his face would explode and his dog would die." - Jim Law