SW:TOR Subs - just under 500k

I'm trying too hard? You're the one parroting a corporation's talking points as a justification to dismiss objective facts!

We had 8 stories. Now we have 2. I don't think you understand the concept of "growth" when you say the word "overgrew." Shrinking is not growth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/growing

How embarrassing for you.

hmm i would prefer richer story of like tairs for an example, yes dont jump on me people i know people hate ragys but those aside the story on taris is very rich espec if you have played both sides. Compare that to let says qwesh not so much.

i think what im trying to get at is i dont just want filler quests and story, i want really good story that pulls me in and feeds me new lore i didnt know about. So sorta quality over quantity so i wouldnt need 50 hours specifically aslong as it was really good.

I understand, but I am pointing out a change in the nexus of how story progresses beginning with this expac and stating scale of story accordingly with the size of the expac. It was a small expac... so the absolute content is scaled accordingly. Had it been a classic size expac (in MMO terms) it would be scaled accordingly.

They have pivoted the story arc beginning at level 50. I get that some people don't like that it did not continue with unique and dis-integral class arcs.. but since the classes are fully deveoped by level 50.. what they did makes a lot of sense from a story development approach. They are following classic screenplay methodology of multi-part movies as I see it. Other people see conspiracies. I see method to what they are doing.

This wouldn't be a problem if this was a "standard" MMO with an endgame as deep as the leveling areas. However, SWTOR is primarily based on the story and leveling process, with marginal endgame.

If the stories converge past 50 then whats the point of running alts when you get the same story on all of them. The one great thing about this game becomes run-of-the-mill. If the story isn't different across the classes, why do I play TOR when I can move to an MMO with deep endgame?

OK... I have to assume you're just venting now because you're post seems to be responding to me but much of what you've said isn't really related to what I was saying.

Here's what I was saying.

Originally, we had 1 Faction Story that went from planet to planet while simultaneously we had a Class Story that progressed side by side with the Faction Story (from planet to planet) but was unique to each characters. The Chapters were related directly to the indvidual Class Story. The Class Story basically stopped at Corellia. We had extra content at Ilum, Belsavis Section X and Corellia Black Hole but they were never portrayed as Chapters.

With Makeb the Faction Story continued but the Class Story did not. However, it's been portrayed as Chapter 4. Essentially, they merged the Class Story with the Faction Story but in doing so they actually reduced the the overall story experience dramatically. I've finished Makeb on 5 Characters now (working on 6 and 7) and there's virtually no distinction between those experiences (for those of the same faction). And it's a shame since they had very unique Class Story lines up until that point.

BUT I understand why they had to do it and like I said I'm fine with it. It's less than I wanted but better than nothing.

A few posts ago.. you were harping about passive aggressive. It was ironic then.. and with each post you make it more ironic.

I will accept the fact that you are completely unable or unwilling to see that they changed the way they approch story beginning at level 50 and that for you personally it is a disappointment. Do you want to takes shots at me some more, or can we agree to disagree?

DING! I've done Makeb once on one Republic toon and once on one Imperial toon. Now I don't need to go back. There's no benefit to making any of my alts level 55 or seeing the story again.

I mean once in a while I'll re-read a good book, but when I do that, it's not back-to-back. Someday I might run another toon through, I guess.

This is correct. I don't know why everyone wants to keep talking about subscriber numbers(cough*WoW*cough) when this model of subscription/preferred/f2p makes them infinitely more money, which is the entire point to a product you are trying to sell.

Aside from not knowing what the word "growth" means, you don't seem to understand what "irony" is either. You claimed that they were growing the story by shrinking the content down from 8 storylines down to just 2. You seem to have a grievance with the English language. Perhaps those awful linguists who regulate the language are party of your evil conspiracy of complainers?

You're trying to change your argument now because it has become clear that their shrinking of the story is not an example of growth.

Each person makes a personal choice about how/if/why they run alts.

If story is the only reason, personally I don't feel any story is deep enough in an MMO to justify that. But that's my view. Story is a differentiator for this MMO. That continues with Makeb IMO, even though it does so differently then in the 1-50 leveling sequence.

As for what endgame has to do with it? The game is designed for a broad audience of more casual players. It's based on a SW theme of telling stories and this MMO does so by making story telling integral to character play. I think they are following their plan. I think that plan includes endgame... but not for people who see endgame as THE game. And seeking story in lieu of endgame is as narrow focused in approach as just seeking endgame IMO. There is always more to an MMO then on thing.

Some people think they are spinning and doing damage control and PR... but that is always an excuse to complain for some in the forum.. so it's situation normal as far as I am concerned.