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Venom Tank Spec


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underpantsgnomes
05.02.2013 , 01:18 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Omophorus View Post
This more or less. There is room to shuffle some points around to suit your tastes. Main thing is to get reduced-cost Death Field and Harnessed Darkness. Lots of Thrash filler to proc Energize.

Frankly though, it's not as useful as full tank except as a node guard, and you're just as well off with Waka in that scenario, because it's not as sturdy but it's much deadlier.
Yeah that's essentially the same spec. I'd shunt the two in Avoidance into Claws of Decay, otherwise same. Works4me.

Wakajin really is pretty squishy. Nothing like any spec running dark ward/shield. I'll keep playing with it but for now I'm going with the darkness/madness hybrid. Again easily 40-50% more dps than full tank and minimal, if any, observed changes for shielding people. More self healing via DF is nice too. Arguably less squishy than full tank with the changes aforementioned.
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underpantsgnomes
05.02.2013 , 01:19 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterFeign View Post
I did a build similar when 2.0 came out. I loose quite a bit of force, and since I could no longer use the pve bonus (with pvp mods) from the force mystic gear, only have 100 force really hurt. Especially not having duplicity too.

While the darkness/madness spec does have some burst, I find that going full darkness gives more dps over time. With the hybrid spec, if you're guarding a node by yourself, it'll be quite difficult to kill more than 1 player, because of the force management.
Force regen has not been a problem. Maybe a sabre strike 1/20th of the time for fights lasting more than a minute. About it.
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Omophorus
05.02.2013 , 01:21 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by underpantsgnomes View Post
Yeah that's essentially the same spec. I'd shunt the two in Avoidance into Claws of Decay, otherwise same. Works4me.
As a node guard, the shorter-CD interrupt and CC breaker are clutch. Again, the point is not maximizing DPS. It's maximizing TTK.
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MasterFeign
05.02.2013 , 04:25 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Omophorus View Post
You don't solo node-guard as tank hybrid to *kill* anyone. You make yourself so obnoxiously slow to kill that your team can reinforce no questions asked. Full-tree is even better than hybrid at the not-dying part (faster HD stacks), but it doesn't have Death Field, which is just a filthy utility skill.
Idk, I've been stacking a lot of power, and doing a good number, on 1 vs 1s. Albeit I'll still call and do a bit of denial. I find that using the frontal maul is a great alternative to death field, with a cost of a lot less force.

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underpantsgnomes
05.02.2013 , 10:10 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterFeign View Post
I find that using the frontal maul is a great alternative to death field, with a cost of a lot less force.
DF >> frontal maul.

a) get in position and use maul the old fashioned way

b) DF hits more people and can hit people around corners
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Griad
05.03.2013 , 12:35 AM | #16
I am using this for PVP, with a shield gen with dps stats in, dark charge and dps gear. Energize works very nicely with the crit bonus from deception, still get all the maul damage and pretty decent survivability.

I use the tank set bonus for more damage and lower CD on spike

This is the build i am using
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...RcRkGbRr0zZM.3
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Philelectric
05.03.2013 , 08:17 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by underpantsgnomes View Post
Like many of you I've been toying with specs since 2.0. I used to run the standard hybrid tank spec pre 2.0 and loved it. been smarting over the loss of insta-WW and out of stealth spike being placed deep in darkness ever since. Played with all sorts of hybrids and ultimately settled on a pure tank spec for PvP.

Today I tried some minmaxing in Excel and came up with an odd and to my knowledge not as yet advertised spec I'm naming Venom Tank. Here is the link: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...dczMZsZcMfor.3

It's 27/4/15 running dark charge and shield. You can trade off some damage for survivability, but its pretty slight either way. I went full damage.

There is a bit of a change for playstyle from other specs. You have shock, force lightning, death field, assassinate, thrash, crushing darkness as key skills using harness darkness to max force lightning via shock. You have a lot more healing potential with force lightning, crushing darkness and death field. Idea is to hit shock w/e it's up and then thrash/assassinate/lacerate to get insta-shock to proc and hit shock again. Get 3 stacks of harness darkness and you hit force lightning. Of course get DF down w/e it's up. If you need more healing hit a few people with crushing darkness or for a minor pain suppression hit discharge.

For itemization it's expertise > crit > power = force power > willpower > surge. Alacrity isn't good enough to matter. Ignoring accuracy as it does not affect enough skills in this lineup but didn't go into it in detail and could be proven wrong.

Thoughts?
gratz on taking a pre 2.0 build and making a 2.0 version of it and calling it your own...

the 5/31/5 build must be called the ZOMGMYBUILD because I took the pre 2.0 deception, added 5 points so its very different...or not, its just deception and your version of the 2nd version of 23/1/17 aka 27/1/13 is only a 2.0 version of a build that was already popular in patch 1.3
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Xethis
05.04.2013 , 11:05 PM | #18
I got a Darkness Hybrid I have been pvp'n with and having a blast. Against people in similar gear as me I am destroying them. 12-31-3 Dark Maul http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...rcRzGbRr0zZc.3. This is a version of a spec I used pre 2.0 23-15-0 Also coined Dark Maul by me, so pls don't flame me cause I copied myself, lol.

Anyways the only healing your going to get is from Dark Charge and Overcharge Saber, but you have 10 times the burst and should be ripping through people. Electric Ambush works with Dark Charge so you want to go in and out of stealth as much as possible to get the reset on Recklessness. The main flaw of this spec is the energy management so again in and out of stealth and timely uses of Blackout to take advantage of Dark Embrace is a must.

There is awesome synergy with Energize and Crackling Blast. With the Recklessness buff you have 100% increase to Shock crit. With only a few pieces of Partisan gear and not a single 69 mod in my gear I am still Shocking for 7-8k, and about 5k-7k on my Mauls (on PTR I was hitting 9k Shocks and 8k Mauls). Open with Spike, Maul, Thrash 1-2X, Shock, by then Duplicity procs and stun to get behind them and Maul again and hopefully Shock is up again for another 5k damage. With in a few globals they are in execute range and its good night. All this front loaded burst and your doing it in Dark Charge with added defense from Blackout and Entropic field. Its very sexy.

When I get descent gear I'll make a show case video with big crits and people in worse gear than me getting their faces melted lol.

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underpantsgnomes
05.05.2013 , 02:23 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Xethis View Post
I got a Darkness Hybrid I have been pvp'n with and having a blast. Against people in similar gear as me I am destroying them. 12-31-3 Dark Maul http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...rcRzGbRr0zZc.3. This is a version of a spec I used pre 2.0 23-15-0 Also coined Dark Maul by me, so pls don't flame me cause I copied myself, lol.

Anyways the only healing your going to get is from Dark Charge and Overcharge Saber, but you have 10 times the burst and should be ripping through people. Electric Ambush works with Dark Charge so you want to go in and out of stealth as much as possible to get the reset on Recklessness. The main flaw of this spec is the energy management so again in and out of stealth and timely uses of Blackout to take advantage of Dark Embrace is a must.

There is awesome synergy with Energize and Crackling Blast. With the Recklessness buff you have 100% increase to Shock crit. With only a few pieces of Partisan gear and not a single 69 mod in my gear I am still Shocking for 7-8k, and about 5k-7k on my Mauls (on PTR I was hitting 9k Shocks and 8k Mauls). Open with Spike, Maul, Thrash 1-2X, Shock, by then Duplicity procs and stun to get behind them and Maul again and hopefully Shock is up again for another 5k damage. With in a few globals they are in execute range and its good night. All this front loaded burst and your doing it in Dark Charge with added defense from Blackout and Entropic field. Its very sexy.

When I get descent gear I'll make a show case video with big crits and people in worse gear than me getting their faces melted lol.
Something funny there. You have stuff specific to dark charge and surge/lightning charge. You can't have both. Some points are being wasted.
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Mordarion
05.05.2013 , 06:32 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Omophorus View Post
This more or less. There is room to shuffle some points around to suit your tastes. Main thing is to get reduced-cost Death Field and Harnessed Darkness. Lots of Thrash filler to proc Energize.

Frankly though, it's not as useful as full tank except as a node guard, and you're just as well off with Waka in that scenario, because it's not as sturdy but it's much deadlier.
If any experienced with rwz could comment I would appreciate it. I am leveling an alt and clearly the old kinetic hybrid is not working. So I am struggling to understand if full kinetic or a waka varaint would be better in this node guarding role. If kinetic please then help with gearing.

Thank you in advance.
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