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So you added same-sex romance options, great. But wait, there isn't also an opposite

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So you added same-sex romance options, great. But wait, there isn't also an opposite

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Tatile
04.26.2013 , 02:41 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by xxforcardassia View Post
As a femes SI I was able to flirt with these same npcs (also not sure if anything comes of them, they also were on the... lame side, but c'est la vie). Other than those two, I had no other [flirt] options pop up through the Makeb storyline.
Yes, it seems that many (if not all, I've not finished it on my Sorc yet) of the Imperial Makeb story [Flirt]s are made for male characters.

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Jiminison
05.02.2013 , 10:56 PM | #42
Scrap romance! There all fixed. Now totally fair for all and maybe a little more RP Romance will happen instead.
Just saying. BW should be tell every one to zip it and make your own scenarios . I honestly feel bad because they have to deal with all of you geez grow up.

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Seireeni
05.03.2013 , 03:27 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Jiminison View Post
Scrap romance! There all fixed. Now totally fair for all and maybe a little more RP Romance will happen instead.
Just saying. BW should be tell every one to zip it and make your own scenarios . I honestly feel bad because they have to deal with all of you geez grow up.
I just don't get these people. You ever looked at the pvp forums? "This is OP, no that is OP, nerf this, nerf that, nerf nerf nerf, l2p it doesn't need a nerf, why my class got nerfed". I think there's more posts whining about Revan's set and how wrong people think it is than posts whining about the lack (or too much of it) SGR. So why do all those other people have the right to discuss the things they think are wrong in this game, but we don't? O.o

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Tatile
05.03.2013 , 03:54 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
I just don't get these people. You ever looked at the pvp forums? "This is OP, no that is OP, nerf this, nerf that, nerf nerf nerf, l2p it doesn't need a nerf, why my class got nerfed". I think there's more posts whining about Revan's set and how wrong people think it is than posts whining about the lack (or too much of it) SGR. So why do all those other people have the right to discuss the things they think are wrong in this game, but we don't? O.o
Because, like, gawd, stories aren't real. *flips hair* PvP is totally important, like, it's EVERYTHING, y'know? And, like, Raven's set? Sooooo important. I mean, it's like, in the stories that it's supposed to be, like, this one and now it's, like y'know, not? And that's really bad because then how am I supposed to dress up my Raven?

Gawd, it's like you don't know anything. Do you even MMO?

/off

Ow, that actually hurt. In all honesty, though, a lot of the forumites seem to think that because this is a "hot button topic" they have every right to come in and denounce and insult those who enjoy story content. Also, because the SGRA discussion thread has been remade so many times (I believe the current one may be the sixth or seventh) that the topic itself is "done", even though it's clear Bioware still has no idea what it's doing on the subject. And there is of course the fact that the SGRA threads themselves are safe places for the discussion of gender stereotypes and representation in-game as well as the nature and scripting of romances, existing or projected. It has since become our "controversial catch-call" topic, rather than merely being limited to saying "I would like man-love with Vector, plz", but of course most people don't know that. People think of it as a petition thread, rather than what it actually is: an organic discussion that has to actively be steered back to the main topic when we get too bogged down in, say, the (misogynistic) biological imperative present in pretty much every companion storyline, wherein it's assumed that every female character's dream goal is to become a baby factory.

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SithKoriandr
05.03.2013 , 08:12 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
I just don't get these people. You ever looked at the pvp forums? "This is OP, no that is OP, nerf this, nerf that, nerf nerf nerf, l2p it doesn't need a nerf, why my class got nerfed". I think there's more posts whining about Revan's set and how wrong people think it is than posts whining about the lack (or too much of it) SGR. So why do all those other people have the right to discuss the things they think are wrong in this game, but we don't? O.o
Well PvPers never went to an outside source to get attention for the changes to their PvP game. Those complaining about Revan's Robe never went to an outside source to get attention for how wrong it is.

Some in favor of SGR, however, did.

So why is it, PvPers and Lore Buffs could keep it TOR related areas, and proponents for SGR couldn't?
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Bytemite
05.03.2013 , 09:29 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
People think of it as a petition thread, rather than what it actually is: an organic discussion that has to actively be steered back to the main topic when we get too bogged down in, say, the (misogynistic) biological imperative present in pretty much every companion storyline, wherein it's assumed that every female character's dream goal is to become a baby factory.
I would agree that the SGR experiment in this expansion is only a start, and that the situation probably won't really be fair until people have actual companion options instead of just flirt options. I'm honestly thinking new companions, though, instead of converting the old companions, unless Bioware can make it believable that they were bisexual all along.

Also, urgh, right on the baby factory thing. v_v I haven't finished any of the romances yet, but I've heard that both the male romance options and the female options kind of all get into the babies, and it's like, where in the narrative did the three dimensional character with all these nuances and interests go? I'm actually hoping that if companion stories ever get expanded, the writers will find ways for their particular interests to dovetail into the player character's style and class missions. I'd like to see more focus on the personalities, less focus on some checklist of life milestones.

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Seireeni
05.03.2013 , 09:56 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
Well PvPers never went to an outside source to get attention for the changes to their PvP game. Those complaining about Revan's Robe never went to an outside source to get attention for how wrong it is.

Some in favor of SGR, however, did.

So why is it, PvPers and Lore Buffs could keep it TOR related areas, and proponents for SGR couldn't?
Mmm...english isn't my first language and I have to admit that I have troubles understanding what you are meaning with this post. Anyway, run around the pvp forums a little and you pretty soon find posts where "this works like this in this game and it should work like this in TOR, too"-posts. If that is not what you meant, then I lost you somewhere during that post.

Also, the fact that someone "went to an outside source" doesn't justify telling everyone interested in the future of SGR to shut up. It's like saying that all pvp players are rude because you met one person who started raging at a warzone.

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SithKoriandr
05.03.2013 , 10:20 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
Mmm...english isn't my first language and I have to admit that I have troubles understanding what you are meaning with this post. Anyway, run around the pvp forums a little and you pretty soon find posts where "this works like this in this game and it should work like this in TOR, too"-posts. If that is not what you meant, then I lost you somewhere during that post.

Also, the fact that someone "went to an outside source" doesn't justify telling everyone interested in the future of SGR to shut up. It's like saying that all pvp players are rude because you met one person who started raging at a warzone.
You asked for the difference between people asking for changes in one thing and asking for changes in another.

PvPers don't go about trying to get media and other organizations involved in getting PvP changed.

Other differences. Tell a PvPer to put their money where their mouth is "Don't like it, show BioWare by not paying for their game" you don't get people saying "You're trying to hurt the cause" Say it about SGR and you do.

I'm all for options though! In fact, having read posts, I'm actually for the idea of herosexual now. Though still think people should give up the arguement "I can't play myself in RL!" as that arguement still fails when they say "It's just a game, if you don't like the option, don't take it." or "I'm SGR in real life so it's important to me in the game!" then turn around and say to those not for it "It's a game so it shouldn't bother you if it's in." If it's a game, then it shouldn't bother anyone that it's not in by that same comment.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Bytemite
05.03.2013 , 11:02 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post

I'm all for options though! In fact, having read posts, I'm actually for the idea of herosexual now.
Yeah, after reading in other threads comments about the disparity in having to pay versus having it available, it's a good point. But tricky to implement. I like the idea of going back in and adding more conversation options on the wheel, if they have prerecorded lines already for some SGR that just didn't make it into the final, that might actually be workable. And there's even other benefits, like there's been times that the ONLY positive response in a conversation is a flirt, when the platonic option that the other gender gives would be more in character.

Might depend on the programming how doable that is though. Don't know if the game is restricted to those three options for any reason, and would blow up if they tried to change the code. Or if they'd have to do anything with the graphics, though changing a graphic interface is probably easier than the recoding issue.

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SithKoriandr
05.03.2013 , 11:40 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Bytemite View Post
Yeah, after reading in other threads comments about the disparity in having to pay versus having it available, it's a good point. But tricky to implement. I like the idea of going back in and adding more conversation options on the wheel, if they have prerecorded lines already for some SGR that just didn't make it into the final, that might actually be workable. And there's even other benefits, like there's been times that the ONLY positive response in a conversation is a flirt, when the platonic option that the other gender gives would be more in character.

Might depend on the programming how doable that is though. Don't know if the game is restricted to those three options for any reason, and would blow up if they tried to change the code. Or if they'd have to do anything with the graphics, though changing a graphic interface is probably easily than the recoding issue.
That's another thing they could do! Go back, and match up what the chat wheel says to the actual dialogue. Seriously, a lot of those chat options do not fit between what is written and what is said. :/
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry