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JimG
05.01.2013 , 07:14 PM | #51
Dead horse....being beaten to death. Credits are easy to make in this game.

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Andryah
05.01.2013 , 07:38 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
Dead horse....being beaten to death. Credits are easy to make in this game.
I agree.

Though there is always a minority view that you can not over-beat a horse to death. Some people seem to think horses are like cats and have 9 lives.
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Pscyon
05.01.2013 , 08:32 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I agree.

Though there is always a minority view that you can not over-beat a horse to death. Some people seem to think horses are like cats and have 9 lives.
Horses SHOULD be beaten to death now though. We have motorcycles. Horses serves no purpose.
What you get from a referral link: a box of junk and one single server transfer token.

What the other person gets: 500 cartel coins, 100 more each month you stay subscribed, a speeder bike and a droid vanity pet.

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DeadDogBarking
05.01.2013 , 09:47 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Gammawaves View Post
lol its so funny people trying to justify biowares pay2win cash shop. coming up with all these silly notions that its only pay to win if you get something you cant get by any other means.

Its very very simple. You dont need to come up with any rules or anything.
Pay2Win =
Pay - Pay real money
Win - Win!
You pay real money, sell cartel items for in game money and you win!
Paying for credits with real money allows you to buy anything in the game. You can buy any advantage you want that normally would require griding. If that isnt winning what is??
I sold some cartel packs and now have millions of credits at lvl 20. I can now buy any gear I want, any mods, craft as much as I want, I have won!
So as you can see, yes biowares cash shop is pay to win. Sorry if that bothers.
Exactly just like paying for a subscription gives you a major advantage over those that don't. Right.

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WarGame
05.01.2013 , 10:27 PM | #55
The only way money factors into gearing up is with augments and ripping mods out. Pay to win would be if you could buy your raid gear or pvp gear straight up with cash.

They have definitely taken the money grub approach to this game with how they are handling the cartel market vs base game additions, but it isn't pay to win at this point.

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Aelther
05.02.2013 , 01:11 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Pscyon View Post
Horses SHOULD be beaten to death now though. We have motorcycles. Horses serves no purpose.
Tell that to all the guys demanding lame organic mounts.

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Joshthecook
05.02.2013 , 01:44 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by SatansBeatstick View Post
With credits you can essentially get whatever you want, I could offer 15 million credits for a guild to run me through HM TFB and give me all the loot drops. It's the same as real life money. Money can be used to purchase just about anything, given it is the right price. Say I buy 50 sets of cartel armor and sell it on the gtn...bam a few hours later, I'm millions richer, spend that money getting carried through an operation and get a full set of 72's.
Ok so you are paying to win, but I must ask just what are you winning? For you to be 'carried' the group must be way over geared and or over talented for this game. If you have to be carried then I would bet you would lose in a one on one fight with any of these players regardless of guild. Not to mention that just one time through any ops is going to give you the BiS gear you would have to be carried though at least three times. So if you are willing to pay 45 mil credits to have gear you have no idea how to use how can you say this is play to win?

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Reno_Tarshil
05.02.2013 , 02:09 AM | #58
Not this silly argument again.

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OddballEasyEight
05.02.2013 , 02:13 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by SatansBeatstick View Post
I realize that the devs have been saying that the cartel market is in no way going to be pay to win...the problem though is that all of the items on the cartel market can be sold on the gtn for credits. Personally I never buy cartel coins because as a subscriber I do not want to pay more money just to get some cool gear, but I will buy Cartel speeders and gear off the gtn for in game credits. Basically all the people that buy these cartel packs are trading real life money for in game credits which can be used to win. As a member of Harbinger Crafters I can craft many mods including the Resolve Hilt 30. I sell this on the gtn, and by buying this it enables people to avoid doing multiple runs of S&V SM hoping to win the roll on the mainhand. No, the 30 mods are not the highest level of gear in the game anymore but they enable players to be able to run top tier operation, so saying that the cartel market is in no way pay to win is not true, because it can basically be used to buy credits and credits can be used to "win" because you can buy full sets of 69 level mods, mk-9 augments and kits, and prototype nano-infused stims to get that extra boost. The cartel market can essentially grant instant credits and save many hours that the rest of us have to spend doing dailies. So how is the cartel market not "pay to win" ? Because it defiitely seems that way to me.

With that kind of thin reasoning subscribing is also pay to win since you recieve not only more XP but also more credits and things cost less, hence giving you access to more in-game money in exchange for paying real money. And then you can buy full sets of 69 level mods and whatnot...
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Njordulfr
05.02.2013 , 02:13 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Gammawaves View Post
lol its so funny people trying to justify biowares pay2win cash shop. coming up with all these silly notions that its only pay to win if you get something you cant get by any other means.

Its very very simple. You dont need to come up with any rules or anything.
Pay2Win =
Pay - Pay real money
Win - Win!
You pay real money, sell cartel items for in game money and you win!
Paying for credits with real money allows you to buy anything in the game. You can buy any advantage you want that normally would require griding. If that isnt winning what is??
I sold some cartel packs and now have millions of credits at lvl 20. I can now buy any gear I want, any mods, craft as much as I want, I have won!
So as you can see, yes biowares cash shop is pay to win. Sorry if that bothers.
I disagree. You sell stuff and get money faster, but it doesn't mean a player who doesn't sell little to nothing can't get the money at some point. That's how all this sales malarkey works.

You can sell as much as you want and that won't make you the strongest player on the server.
You can equip the crystal you get from the CM, which are some of the few items that could give you certain advantage, and they still don't make you indestructible. Not even the chest armours they sell for level 43 do that. Once you hit 50, they're useless and you have to re-mod them.

If you've played other games, you'd see this is not P2W like in those I can't list here.
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