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Satele Shan [yes this again]

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Satele Shan [yes this again]

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Illutian
12.21.2011 , 06:52 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Silverspar View Post
I don't get what you are complaining about. I've not seen a single episode in game where Satele looks younger. The holo videos, she looks aged and lined as she does in person, just not as perceptible because of the blue transparent look. If you are referring to the videos, those videos are long ago in the past; Deceived is the last, 10 years ago with the sacking of Coruscant, Hope is before that, a victory the Republic had that forced the Empire to do its desperate attack on Coruscant in Deceive that brought the cease fire, and then Return is where it all began which is the start of the war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-CTmGpA0Eo

Actual ingame footage

And here's a screen shot I just did while talking with the terminal for Hammer Station:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...tor_satele.png

argh, ***, photobucket be resizing it -_-

here's the actual screen shot if you want to get a good look:

http://www.mediafire.com/?gzddyccu4wh5qwy

Monitor 1: 1680x1050
Monitor 2: 19020x1080 (gave me headaches so can't use it as primary /sadface)

-That's why there's a black bar at the bottom; it's exactly 30pixels "tall"

Now I can't get a screenshot of Satele since my Knight is past the 'story instances' that feature her (he's lvl 22 atm). So, anyone out there got some time or able to provide a current ingame shot of her; try and do like I did and get it when the camera is focus-zoomed on her.

As for my complaint, it's not so much a complaint; just a "why did you (BW) change this model". Because personally, I thought it (the game) was maybe 5yrs after the Deceived Trailer, which depicted the Sacking....well start of the sacking. And I figured the Deceived Trailer came after the Hope Trailer (timeline-wise).

I say this because I'm looking at the Deceived right now at at 1:54 it shows his face and you can clearly see the damage from the thermal grenade he ate in Hope. The wiki also states that in 'Hope' he was defeated; not killed.

So, it sort of threw me for a loop when I started the next Beta and found her old.

Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall. - Confucius

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xeeki
12.21.2011 , 08:38 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Illutian View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-CTmGpA0Eo

Actual ingame footage

And here's a screen shot I just did while talking with the terminal for Hammer Station:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...tor_satele.png

argh, ***, photobucket be resizing it -_-

here's the actual screen shot if you want to get a good look:

http://www.mediafire.com/?gzddyccu4wh5qwy

Monitor 1: 1680x1050
Monitor 2: 19020x1080 (gave me headaches so can't use it as primary /sadface)

-That's why there's a black bar at the bottom; it's exactly 30pixels "tall"

Now I can't get a screenshot of Satele since my Knight is past the 'story instances' that feature her (he's lvl 22 atm). So, anyone out there got some time or able to provide a current ingame shot of her; try and do like I did and get it when the camera is focus-zoomed on her.

As for my complaint, it's not so much a complaint; just a "why did you (BW) change this model". Because personally, I thought it (the game) was maybe 5yrs after the Deceived Trailer, which depicted the Sacking....well start of the sacking. And I figured the Deceived Trailer came after the Hope Trailer (timeline-wise).

I say this because I'm looking at the Deceived right now at at 1:54 it shows his face and you can clearly see the damage from the thermal grenade he ate in Hope. The wiki also states that in 'Hope' he was defeated; not killed.

So, it sort of threw me for a loop when I started the next Beta and found her old.
Yes, but Satele is not present in Decieved. Even if it was, as you say, 5 years ago, it could be a lot more time between Hope and Decieved. Just sayin'.

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Illutian
12.21.2011 , 09:57 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by xeeki View Post
Yes, but Satele is not present in Decieved. Even if it was, as you say, 5 years ago, it could be a lot more time between Hope and Decieved. Just sayin'.
Okay, so why was Satele's in game model young in the E3 Trailer, which I might add, specifically shows QUEST GAMEPLAY. The specific title of said quest escapes me but it's the one where she asks to speak to the Knight before going before the (Jedi) Council.

Why is her holo-transmission model of the same model IN that E3 Trailer.

Why was her model the same as the E3 Trailer sometime around September-ish (I entered the beta and then preordered).


What can I say, she was good looking; pixel or not

Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall. - Confucius

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NaimiIflya
12.21.2011 , 10:33 AM | #14
The war lasted ~30 years, SWTOR takes place ~10 years after that.
Larmonte Murho from Sanctum of the Exalted <Jedi Guardian>

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Illutian
12.21.2011 , 11:14 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by NaimiIflya View Post
The war lasted ~30 years, SWTOR takes place ~10 years after that.
Mkay, so...the original Satele model was a mistake?

Was it raised in the beta testing forums that Satele should appear older? <-probably this

Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall. - Confucius

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MoffJordan
12.21.2011 , 12:59 PM | #16
If no one has figured it out by now, the trailers go in reverse order from their release. Chronologically, Return is first, then Hope, then Deceived. This was stated by the developers this summer.

So it's entirely possible that the design team was using a model intended for Satele in Return for in-game footage until the aged model was created. Stuff like this happens when games are under development.

I wouldn't worry too much about how she looked in trailers of game footage versus now. Game footage trailers have to be taken with a grain of salt, not everything they portray comes true, some things are tossed in beta for being too buggy or over/under powered. Similarly, designs can change based on player and reviewer feedback, as well as internal feedback from the producers and Lucasarts.

tl;dr: Chill, folks, stuff can change from beta. It's not the end of the world.

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FireFangs
12.21.2011 , 01:40 PM | #17
The E3 trailer is irrevelent, it was a while ago. Things changes between stuff shown in gameplay trailers and the actual game. As a game tester, I can assure you of that, I've seen it happen to nearly all games.

I personally haven't seen Satele Shan in game yet, but it's normal that she would appear older.

As for the hologram thing, it could be a mistake from the dev, I'd say report it, the game is not fully stable yet, I've seen many bugs in cutscenes, like cloth and hair color being wrong, eyes disapearing and such.
Or it's intentional, to decieve you into believing your character is talking to a young person, in case you're a sith spy.
"Look sir, droids."
"Not again...."

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CoruscantSunset
12.21.2011 , 01:51 PM | #18
I'm going to go ahead and risk blowing your minds and say...It's a game based on a made-up universe!
Things rarely fit together perfectly in real life, so you can't expect perfection in a game.
You don't need to wrack your brains to death trying to iron out every little insignificant thing.

Also, as far as the whole aging thing goes. I've never heard that being a Jedi is supposed to halt aging and different people age differently. Look at Johnny Depp, for example. He's how old? In his 50s, I think? And he looks half that age. Jack Nicholson has looked 65 since the early 70s.

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Illutian
12.21.2011 , 02:06 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by FireFangs View Post
The E3 trailer is irrevelent, it was a while ago. Things changes between stuff shown in gameplay trailers and the actual game. As a game tester, I can assure you of that, I've seen it happen to nearly all games.

I personally haven't seen Satele Shan in game yet, but it's normal that she would appear older.

As for the hologram thing, it could be a mistake from the dev, I'd say report it, the game is not fully stable yet, I've seen many bugs in cutscenes, like cloth and hair color being wrong, eyes disapearing and such.
Or it's intentional, to decieve you into believing your character is talking to a young person, in case you're a sith spy.
Oh no doubt. I've been in LoTRO, STO, WAR, D3, SWTOR (dur), Global Agenda, Genesis A.D. betas. So I'm aware stuff gets scraped; usually to be brought back in an expansion as "new" (/clevergirl). The reason I go back to the E3 Trailer is because it actually featured in game footage; specifically the quest where the Jedi Knights first go to the Temple and get a holo-communique from Satele to come speak with her before going before the rest of the council. So, this wasn't some "would this be cool; ya lets make some footage of it" it was actually in the beta, and is in the release.

Quote: Originally Posted by MoffJordan View Post
If no one has figured it out by now, the trailers go in reverse order from their release. Chronologically, Return is first, then Hope, then Deceived. This was stated by the developers this summer.

So it's entirely possible that the design team was using a model intended for Satele in Return for in-game footage until the aged model was created. Stuff like this happens when games are under development.

I wouldn't worry too much about how she looked in trailers of game footage versus now. Game footage trailers have to be taken with a grain of salt, not everything they portray comes true, some things are tossed in beta for being too buggy or over/under powered. Similarly, designs can change based on player and reviewer feedback, as well as internal feedback from the producers and Lucasarts.

tl;dr: Chill, folks, stuff can change from beta. It's not the end of the world.
Yep, that's how I figured the trailers went. Think I stated it in that order in one of my posts.


Ya, I know it's not the end of the world, but...c'moooon; she was fine (literally and in attractiveness slang).

I actually made this face when I saw the "revised" Satele: ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Also, BW, if you look at this; use F7 (nod to MS Word) next time. Model-mishaps aren't the only thing plaguing this game.

In short, I guess I wished for SWTOR to be closer to The War than it actually is. Would have made for a much more...dramatic and dark game; post-War Coru..mmmm

Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall. - Confucius

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FireFangs
12.21.2011 , 02:25 PM | #20
The QUEST is still in game, but I was refering to everything else that was changed. Back then, it's likely they hadn't set on Satele look. So, considering her young self is based on a real person, it make sense to see her young in game. It's likely later they realized the time gap between the game and the trailers.
"Look sir, droids."
"Not again...."